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From: Noah Causin <n0manletter@gmail.com>
To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:50:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2e7e4dbe-5a95-93f3-89de-447f6bf970f9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1611231829220.3558@uplift.swm.pp.se>

There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the 
Netduma R1 Router.  It's main feature is reducing lag.  It does this 
through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering.  (Limiting available servers to your 
local region = reduced RTT)

It seems relatively popular in the gaming world, especially console.

It is based on OpenWRT Chaos Calmer: https://netduma.com/opensource/

It has an advanced QOS system that already uses FQ_Codel.

Here are the hardware specs:

https://netduma.com/features/hardware/

I assume it has an ath9k.

Maybe they could implement the ath9k fq_codel and airtime patches.

The user base that buys this product seems like they would be more 
familiar with setting up routers than the average person.

On 11/23/2016 12:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
>
>> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro 
>> based bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and 
>> it applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up 
>> awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact 
>> with popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put 
>> much effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that 
>> people can easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking 
>> of telling people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the 
>> firmware on your router requires too much research, and many people 
>> care about bleeding edge features. You need something that works in 
>> tangent with whatever they are using.
>
> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you 
> set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast 
> oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then 
> you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution.
>
> I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" 
> is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working 
> solution for someone with that kind of skillset.
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38     ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23  8:28     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59       ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31         ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05           ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27             ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50                 ` Noah Causin [this message]
2016-11-23 17:56                   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05                     ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29                         ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42                           ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20                             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54                 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09                   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 18:24                       ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13                       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17                   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
     [not found] <mailman.447.1479909940.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-23 18:16 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46   ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58     ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15       ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found] <mailman.454.1479929363.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-26 15:33 ` [Bloat] Fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-27  1:53   ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27  6:10     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24   ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:11     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28  2:16       ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28  6:00         ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48           ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12             ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35                 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07                     ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02                       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52                     ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14             ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23               ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10           ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28  2:47       ` David Lang

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