From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1672D3B2A2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-io0-x231.google.com with SMTP id a124so36741234ioe.2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMXVscbeD17xlWb/YH+5mGO1o2Tct7oD1j4tPLkI3vs=; b=gZ8sl0AYYAPI1RVE1vfiVcfIpBOqieEDPntxm425Ounkx03x/iibB8F3TPAekD15k/ qby0FtcAUJfdbf5JXyiA9+ycCVwr/rNaWW1p4yaI2tqmpD99Oz+9mVaBAdpLioTxvew9 9nOt3BvE4SvCc16uddqQCe0DTo7gY1z4htUI4vBXeqJvCMvt6iG0XUxcGofUfD/kaBKl FNoktbRbQCFbIka9t+L74mQxh3xjPrUbtWXxzYPe3imFCw81wyPzPBPCbt5wERHcV1eJ X2V3htyAggrBskFgYLNRYkPjgrB8CmXknnkMJOA6GJJhno23sGiAj0SqKxARNLNqCNDv wj6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMXVscbeD17xlWb/YH+5mGO1o2Tct7oD1j4tPLkI3vs=; b=RE3NGHRu5cpvIlvqTJW2CkVlwmyjDrEKBQgCsoFFK/h1OmjUguUhu58f33g2AOUX5y /r39A1ETqAYwCzj4H17mzHXjvu4wkW2xk/CFQDkDfn7oji9+dn9ABXRcJQA7NaXnTMpl 6c2POWyMKgLFW0uIKftRju7Q9NChiAjqTN0AL2+TWeFKdYvwtSXuE8gE6ggbR2ZWew/A t3qdR9IheCy7y7t7Bxp1x4o+NKacyFJJzOXQUYq/pAw7BJBZbuRkFLwiWQEUkY4LJte3 lTk/fajz1Q1jdrnNCtGeyKyG8zQBgjmsPqgBKtOHDuy5tEuua/fwMmQgQ3oKOqIhP9+u 8ekA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03Sl/XPYg6PHt6C2Lt1NWakEhyPeo/VB+LXZrmFk/ooj0d3K+BgJ8xVOkwCNIkcTA== X-Received: by 10.107.59.15 with SMTP id i15mr4285508ioa.79.1479923439177; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.21.63.50] (hades.kettering.edu. [192.138.137.97]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g70sm3800100ioj.4.2016.11.23.09.50.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <8d72490d-551a-c58f-991a-1750e9af8df9@gmail.com> From: Noah Causin Message-ID: <2e7e4dbe-5a95-93f3-89de-447f6bf970f9@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:50:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:50:40 -0000 There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the Netduma R1 Router. It's main feature is reducing lag. It does this through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering. (Limiting available servers to your local region = reduced RTT) It seems relatively popular in the gaming world, especially console. It is based on OpenWRT Chaos Calmer: https://netduma.com/opensource/ It has an advanced QOS system that already uses FQ_Codel. Here are the hardware specs: https://netduma.com/features/hardware/ I assume it has an ath9k. Maybe they could implement the ath9k fq_codel and airtime patches. The user base that buys this product seems like they would be more familiar with setting up routers than the average person. On 11/23/2016 12:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote: > >> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro >> based bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and >> it applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up >> awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact >> with popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put >> much effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that >> people can easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking >> of telling people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the >> firmware on your router requires too much research, and many people >> care about bleeding edge features. You need something that works in >> tangent with whatever they are using. > > If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you > set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast > oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then > you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution. > > I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" > is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working > solution for someone with that kind of skillset. >