From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11AFD3CB3F for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.233]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id 5KNjiLZTh7JAy5Knti7avZ; Wed, 04 Sep 2019 02:13:49 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1567563229; bh=fMl7C37utx2TyoCU9wpz6yPGq9w7jk7RtA58LuykMqw=; h=Received:Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MJNGz0ulEsR/h0/VH1IkxoPqbO8Wf4eHDBhq0DScpaHJvu7+ltg5Ptc07Id/7hLQ+ deWjKJAisKWcm2XwCJoUXoc52N91MLS1vay2OMwDj4B3Fpvpaz2jPD+eae21yrm1yc tPGNWq70dDloX/bNj9zTRDiUwQYGRbp7Jjcnz+O8vS10h22fZ5k+BeRprjPZRn+Ruc 0NgnYZU3pWgkzrneA+0rVbcyLqOSpu4HtmUnbGXQwnLwzRjn7iCkfOoUQitMpelPyr G3EZNyivkyzH5sF/rqR1ceaUzr+3bpKhWLYyQz7zcnAq+9Qz68/gWU3TpmG0R3jBER CKmjvIVr6ZBHg== Received: from home.sewingwitch.com ([IPv6:2601:644:1:6c10::3f1]) by resomta-po-09v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id 5KnqiJ40xwoRj5KnsiOXeG; Wed, 04 Sep 2019 02:13:48 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0;st=legit Received: from [10.96.7.39] ([10.96.7.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by home.sewingwitch.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x842Dd3N025902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:13:41 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 home.sewingwitch.com x842Dd3N025902 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sewingwitch.com; s=default; t=1567563221; bh=fMl7C37utx2TyoCU9wpz6yPGq9w7jk7RtA58LuykMqw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=cGEvmmIPWdVX4iA9D/d3gaq0fmTKjUhsvgmEj9C3sod6W3pdl5eNC7RTPqiTrrU7Z DeWde8A6JtKr0m630o0j9DlL5KmiJU4nKKLUmg1QcyKpYTUxbaCQimjAHrioAIi7Xf oYB6H+fzwShXW3SXAsQFsONyJAWxJcMA3UWm2pfs= To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <614481A6-1C07-4C6A-AB86-10A6DEF1B5D2@gmail.com> <20190903174046.68f24735@hermes.lan> From: Kenneth Porter Message-ID: <30c6d641-b0e5-7a8f-103f-4d6f2ff0286b@sewingwitch.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:13:38 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190903174046.68f24735@hermes.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.96.0.132 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Rigorous Coffee Shop Bloat Testing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 02:13:50 -0000 On 9/3/2019 5:40 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > There was a recent Wall Street Journal article that faster Internet doesn't mean anything. > https://www.wsj.com/graphics/faster-internet-not-worth-it/ > > I just thought "faster Internet just exposes your existing Bufferbloat" I hit a paywall trying to read that so I looked up the article title and found some interesting commentary: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/1450204/the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it https://stopthecap.com/2019/08/20/wall-street-journal-says-faster-internet-not-worth-it-but-they-ignore-bottlenecks-and-data-caps/ Most people are streamers and won't fill a fat pipe. The big winners of fast Internet are people who want to download a huge game and play it quickly. But those are rare. (I'm a gamer but I'm patient and can wait a day to play so I'm happy to save money on a cheaper package that can be used for something else.) As you say, when people report slow Internet, it's probably bloat, not the speed of the package. But faster packages make money for the ISPs.