From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ea0-x22e.google.com (mail-ea0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BD4821F11C for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ea0-f174.google.com with SMTP id z15so1943821ead.5 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OIoLTLKhxwJe+okGehYmTFnqdYdmg0KuY6GLD1BKQb4=; b=hrNaOwyKlqsSfg2VY9y2Lph0kvBipiTjd5BkxzpJcSgctr1/UKMxVHaNgGPorl4iOr 9kWr6CBlvmhmi6Fo08/M4iHSo8n44z2rF6SmuwmelndDq+eN3e3hMgY2GMvcEYS36Cpq aCaRMoyFZ79iZHHfbJ9h9QE70Cugyjl10zdZM7DiLmzqKXSiSfXU5LkyEDrSBTJknrqU ZHDpwSNzN1+ArzEqtVJmi5S6gjmdxAJi6qUapet2qgU7dOP8vF3zlNurVP+yVfUk9yN4 bA3b2kxsp1kXfPphlZ6FabbAwn66BWK1mNOWOgqVCZUlEjUtcodZ/leyxI51FiA82xV8 CqTQ== X-Received: by 10.14.113.137 with SMTP id a9mr30791663eeh.3.1378066034131; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (xdsl-83-150-84-172.nebulazone.fi. [83.150.84.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b45sm16022420eef.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Sep 2013 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 23:07:12 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <33D30627-0E26-4A54-AFAE-64EBF907FA12@gmail.com> References: To: Collin Anderson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Bloat] SPDY and VPN X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 20:07:16 -0000 On 1 Sep, 2013, at 11:03 pm, Collin Anderson wrote: > Any ideas for solving buffer bloat when using SPDY or VPN where one = flow can contain both elephants and mice inside of it? That simply means that FQ-based solutions won't help in the solution. = Reducing driver and hardware buffers, and using AQM techniques at the = bottleneck, will still have big effects on overall latency. - Jonathan Morton