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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: d@taht.net (Dave Täht)
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours - timestamps?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:23:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35010A85-C5A4-4133-8707-4E114C65A8C6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bp1b4yh4.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org>


On 16 Mar, 2011, at 3:59 am, Dave Täht wrote:

> 10 Gig E - 10Gig Switch to 1Gig
>           | | | | | | | | | |
>           1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 
> 
> And the server connected servicing hundreds of flows. Statistically,
> with fair queuing the number of receive buffers required per port will
> be close to or equal to 1, where in a primitive FIFO setup, something >
> 10 are required.

Well, that's a rather different picture than I had before.  I'd hazard a guess that most good switches can deal with that, but they are switches, not routers, so latency through them is expected to be even less.

With that said, at 10GE speeds you are approaching a megapacket per second if jumbo frames are not a significant fraction of the traffic.  I think something like SFQ can be made to work at those speeds, but simply getting the data through the computer that fast is a fairly tough job.  So I agree that if the NIC can do it by itself, so much the better.

On the flip side, at a megapacket per second, a thousand-packet buffer empties in a millisecond.  That's less than a disk seek.

 - Jonathan


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-16  2:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-15 10:36 Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 14:40 ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-15 16:47   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 17:59     ` Don Marti
2011-03-15 18:14       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 18:31         ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 19:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 19:59             ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 20:51             ` John W. Linville
2011-03-15 21:31               ` Rick Jones
2011-03-16  0:32                 ` John W. Linville
2011-03-16  1:02                   ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:01               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:19                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:26                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:36                     ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 22:40                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 22:42                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-15 22:52                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 23:02                         ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:12                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:25                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-15 23:33                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 23:46                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  0:49                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:02                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  1:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  1:59                                 ` Dave Täht
2011-03-16  2:23                                   ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2011-03-16 22:22                                     ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 23:38                                       ` richard
2011-03-16 23:50                                         ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 12:05                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 12:18                                         ` Fred Baker
2011-03-17 17:27                                           ` Dave Täht
2011-03-18 18:30                                           ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-18 18:49                                             ` Fred Baker
2011-03-20 11:40                                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:18                                                 ` david
2011-03-20 22:45                                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 22:50                                                     ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:55                                                       ` grenville armitage
2011-03-20 23:04                                                         ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:14                                                           ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-20 23:19                                                             ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 23:23                                                               ` Dave Täht
2011-03-20 22:58                                                       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-21  1:28                                                     ` david
2011-03-21  1:56                                                       ` Wesley Eddy
2011-03-18 18:27                                       ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion ofTCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16 22:07                           ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-17  0:10                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  0:47                 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " John W. Linville
2011-03-16 20:07                   ` Jim Gettys
2011-03-17  2:26                     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 18:22                       ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 21:50                         ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17 22:20                           ` Rick Jones
2011-03-17 22:56                             ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-18  1:36                               ` Justin McCann
2011-03-18  5:51                             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-03-15 16:34 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-15 18:13   ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-03-16  5:41 ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16  6:26   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-16  8:55 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours " Richard Scheffenegger
2011-03-16  9:04 ` [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCP flavours " BeckW
2011-03-16 22:48   ` Fred Baker
2011-03-16 23:23     ` Jonathan Morton
2011-03-17  8:34     ` BeckW

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