From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp128.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp128.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.128]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B1FF3B2A2 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp25.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp25.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 973CEC0380 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: by smtp25.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: jf-AT-jonathanfoulkes.com) with ESMTPSA id 4EF58C02BF for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: from jonathans-mbp.lan (h208.185.138.40.static.ip.windstream.net [40.138.185.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.7.7); Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:27:33 -0400 From: Jonathan Foulkes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6BA4DCF5-1C80-4574-8CC2-E2C7C0FFDC73" Message-Id: <39BB3099-B644-4490-8ACD-C0F25A9BB3EA@jonathanfoulkes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) References: To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 00:14:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:27:34 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:27:32 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:27:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6BA4DCF5-1C80-4574-8CC2-E2C7C0FFDC73 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave, amen to that. Please do write that piece. Totally agree that modern internet usage benefits most from short RTTs, = low jitter and low latencies. Heck, even 12Mbps DSL lets me enjoy most use cases with no problems. Jonathan > On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:58 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 > When you are on one side of an S curve, it's hard to see where it = flattens out. >=20 > I've been meaning to research and write a piece called "have we > reached 'Peak Bandwidth'"? for a while now. >=20 > My thesis is that what users actually want is short RTTs for > interactive, once basic bandwidth needs are slaked, which starts to > happen once you crack the largest typical load (which these days is 4k > video streaming). >=20 > gbit fiber is *way* on the unneeded side of the demand curve for home = users. --Apple-Mail=_6BA4DCF5-1C80-4574-8CC2-E2C7C0FFDC73 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dave, amen to that. Please do write that piece.

Totally agree that = modern internet usage benefits most from short RTTs, low jitter and low = latencies.

Heck, even 12Mbps DSL lets me enjoy most = use cases with no problems.

Jonathan

On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:58 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:

When you are on one side of an S curve, it's = hard to see where it flattens out.

I've been meaning to research and write a piece = called "have we
reached 'Peak Bandwidth'"? for a while = now.

My thesis is that = what users actually want is short RTTs for
interactive, once basic bandwidth needs = are slaked, which starts to
happen once you crack the largest typical = load (which these days is 4k
video streaming).

gbit fiber is *way* on the unneeded side = of the demand curve for home users.

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