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G4SzeuJnmfN/kMoPYA85RC1dM7JYv6+T4PrDHLrq5mmxKOjufXMoJXXljqXVGORla1s86EkR eRzXUUE+ChJuaxv8Cl1k6D5N Message-ID: <39ddffd4-9aff-65c2-f477-8829a3958277@etorok.eu> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:37:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: [Bloat] eero adds sqm X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 20:38:03 -0000 On 29/05/18 18:09, Dave Taht wrote: > I am so happy to see some companies have the ability to update > existing systems in the field to have better queue management > software. I rather liked eeros little boxes, and they were some of the > first folk to pay attention to the fq_codel on wifi work, and now, > uplinks. > > https://blog.eero.com/introducing-eero-labs-building-future-home-wifi/ > The eero itself looks nice, however be careful of the Arris cable modem they offer. I don't know if all Arris modems are like this, but my current ISP uses an Arris based cable modem containing a Puma 6 chipset, which has a very annoying high latency bug [2] that more than a year later is still unfixed in the production firmware [1]. At first I thought my WiFi signal was bad, but if I ping the router on wired LAN several times a minute you get >50ms latency spikes. Using any kind of bufferbloat management behind the router is hopeless with the wired connection being this bad, even in modem mode. I should probably switch to a different ISP... [1] https://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Gaming-Support/Hub-3-Compal-CH7465-LG-TG2492LG-and-CGNV4-Latency-Cause/td-p/3271492 [2] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/03/intel_puma_chipset_firmware_fix/ [3] http://www.dslreports.com/tools/puma6 Best regards, --Edwin