From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF08C3B29E for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id j13-v6so210990lfb.13 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 14:36:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0GjukK/IpxSLEgNeK2gLWYTVVsu3oSsHaA6aS9kAPso=; b=f4B7Jnd3FVF19gKp+YktXri+qYfg62qkjAvT70UXj1xjOr2GF/zBdkrbNr2xUGcrsu UPms7ypw802DQJ0p80PCtFghGFV03j/fbxf09VBo/eFOn50m4cStaglQymnkCEB4iZrm VzjvapZ6bsQMgp96283NpjQuls23b1PcmolH3nb2GgVmOzJTiDZfg8Zq9GISsUt5EZ24 7QM2UBkeZcvchlTWMygRdLTwnJ6LKtzhBv5T6Aq7ObU4Nx7d74hAKaWncNP4kzDc+Jm/ 3PypEZFc7OF/eG8QhNm1jiaxQczOFvRjXM7yNhLGzspL8Cdmeq+vaB5Y5jmyVQHmCkZT BABQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0GjukK/IpxSLEgNeK2gLWYTVVsu3oSsHaA6aS9kAPso=; b=Nku0mKwh4nCOUXaVWP86gA6sxJHAw4hUt1Pc/LGUXUutb+XE5/tIGokhptAqONFsu/ P6IjRuHEPZDxrZddF5VQz9XgvBQQc9douVOV0qm+nEX+P+o7GDE4ArLoztHjDP5L4Tfc 8FOqTtOUZ+bUQitbAwFcnJTdzSvnQnoqbosFoWYaqPfP/s+kIF0vQehWdzavr8N8bqlH /E1KtcfpImp4/7Aa3QTHb0qozK6m/VnjWdc6xgkabdBFJXjol1HphvR9A6QyiZhY0QuZ aGvFaEeKmP29ljHGnG0LYfajcQ9LfGUZXoNeWB8eOUS5Nj7DhKztPIqYzAw90huq2uIx H1Dg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwdMexsW4F5apF0PvW3N4jqs95YuGiCaYsoGoeU+KSiip+ZoSvbQ LqLuITDCvwrGC1HXfJdRhFo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI6LFhiOI5IiXpGgeG9dPyd5J3qMyz5LmDvSF3tV6B3GncWGFGm8Riz3YmIlkTW3H1V62S9tw== X-Received: by 2002:a19:5353:: with SMTP id h80-v6mr14363818lfb.86.1528148171777; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-236-31-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.236.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x8-v6sm1126894ljj.54.2018.06.04.14.36.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jun 2018 14:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 00:36:08 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F65061F-4F05-4F3F-8A43-FFCC1D27F585@gmail.com> References: <152717340941.28154.812883711295847116.malone@soybean.canonical.com> <4f67f9b3-05a1-8d15-0aee-dfe8ea730d7c@gmail.com> <73c25a21-0ace-b5ee-090e-d06fb3b8dc60@kit.edu> To: =?utf-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=A5rtensson?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fwd: [Bug 1436945] Re: devel: consider fq_codel as the default qdisc for networking X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 21:36:13 -0000 > On 4 Jun, 2018, at 9:22 pm, Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson = wrote: >=20 > Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing = connections: That is also good news. With Apple *and* Ubuntu using it by default, we = should finally get critical mass of ECN traffic and any remaining = blackholes fixed, making it easy for everyone else to justify turning it = on as well. - Jonathan Morton