From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf35.google.com (mail-qv1-xf35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5DC73B2A4 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf35.google.com with SMTP id i14so12964821qvk.13 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=GBjLGhow7KfHW+nGqMqo9miMT/lHWzl6gmCfRFLrywg=; b=jPdloL20yQMoD97cT/FVf+Bl0RH/9tNLMkDoHTWLNsK6g6hUPVGS9lK24jj8cTcST2 w7Nr+rnoFQHBOeC492zLUz52I2jRRHjylfzUE/0Ue8cjxdAgBw+4q1htRmzmOHWkkISZ zUzsc77gkzuwSRWANI/F9PVXQYWHgNJRancvmB9Nyt/4L7lZl8anQDKABCLyhjrZ6tz0 RxFVHB7coJoy5imBEgTg6a6qe4D1LOUuARolEqULRpH4J54eoMCkRYdwQzqIzpVvlPQ5 BPa415AuvnVwPmu51fRvf6rwgdDdxAAWoPnbmZ04/91apIUvhqMKIAt+4tiwWobl4dWv BuXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=GBjLGhow7KfHW+nGqMqo9miMT/lHWzl6gmCfRFLrywg=; b=Styv35w/EomtCZ//P4qUIT/w3j+OlZp5U2I8bunlpD35VqAFUqacv/D6UrxtQ0iSCH ufl3i6a1CiCmoNwmvMwltN9y/SZB+JxBFvegQUbKHgb7aLDT7Qeh+dwUnPoFzxuLzAZq tdoVGULwlGZ/dbbeNGrYE4gbeX0LA0IU8JY04FCi6iyQCOjfxoT682OqYbg/58QNujOC BwecJBRNOWzdDROCQuBBDmMXXBpTcoSgsPxIE2zGmNBWhT7/lUcIDiT1dlcbalPB8J9C AVx/rxFu6kIMEICdeXnKnGkBv638SC4x8AkFnXJITW9pHhty27zAEGUxy9ESkJdU0Nn1 +C9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5321FwlSkmyDGBIbTbN6CvBU/jSROWq6wp3Q0dlOzLEmzMn2nYtR MihWuRWwoiKzgkzmUJGn24LLPKtYRh8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzguzLPNfAuD43peZ++Ths9CE3F52MIHzvZrNTck7CJBsrvidtW7OihsDorVZmGF3Q2FCB0mw== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5ba7:0:b0:441:75bc:d7a6 with SMTP id 7-20020ad45ba7000000b0044175bcd7a6mr11347716qvq.123.1650372797367; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1700:1431:4fc0:e11a:5d6d:1704:2d13? ([2600:1700:1431:4fc0:e11a:5d6d:1704:2d13]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w3-20020ac87e83000000b002f33b2cfe62sm581280qtj.66.2022.04.19.05.53.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Apr 2022 05:53:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_848F0F0E-C7C7-4F69-8C4B-C8ECC3300FC5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:53:16 -0400 References: To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3FC82DF5-9C5E-4B5D-9E95-08E504F0AABC@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] broadband cost analysis X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:53:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_848F0F0E-C7C7-4F69-8C4B-C8ECC3300FC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Apr 15, 2022, at 12:00 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> $2K-$4K per premise for the drop cable from the pole and the router = in the premise >=20 > What is the CPE router? Does it have AQM or some other latency control = mechanism? I should have included the details in my original note: The cost per premise includes the ONT - they're using Calix Gigacenter - = plus all the materials and labor to run the drop from the pole to the = home, plus all the interior work, plus any time spent making sure the = customer is on the air.=20 NB: The $40K/mile includes the cost of system design, obtaining licenses = to use the utility poles, other regulatory hoo-hah, make-ready - = surveying the exact location of all the poles, inspecting them for = suitability (not rotten, tall enough to carry another service, etc), = replacing any sub-standard poles, then the cost of actually hanging the = steel strand and the fiber on the poles. And no, the CPE doesn't include any AQM that I'm aware of. Latency isn't = dreadful, but many people still use their IQrouters (installed because = we could only get 7/1 mbps DSL prior to the arrival of the fiber = connectivity.)= --Apple-Mail=_848F0F0E-C7C7-4F69-8C4B-C8ECC3300FC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Apr 15, 2022, at 12:00 PM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:


  $2K-$4K per premise for = the drop cable from the pole and the router in the premise

What is the CPE router? Does it have AQM or some other = latency control mechanism?

I should have included the details in my original = note:

The cost per premise includes = the ONT - they're using Calix Gigacenter - plus all the materials and = labor to run the drop from the pole to the home, plus all the interior = work, plus any time spent making sure the customer is on the = air. 

NB: The $40K/mile = includes the cost of system design, obtaining licenses to use the = utility poles, other regulatory hoo-hah, make-ready - surveying the = exact location of all the poles, inspecting them for suitability (not = rotten, tall enough to carry another service, etc), replacing any = sub-standard poles, then the cost of actually hanging the steel strand = and the fiber on the poles.

And no, = the CPE doesn't include any AQM that I'm aware of. Latency isn't = dreadful, but many people still use their IQrouters (installed because = we could only get 7/1 mbps DSL prior to the arrival of the fiber = connectivity.)
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