From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22b.google.com (mail-lf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB33F3CBC9 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id g184so87976990lfb.3 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:53:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=8AMqO3r0zBbb7Nd05WoTH+Nb7ROlq/FkBBzcmvS5zGs=; b=0j45akF6YJTbsPyc8jFZcSWLTwwde3uwwgJGPa1K1tjE5/zdn/45sSPVFbMcz3TSPp ykPeXMh0zIkXoMKb/L1V60o1Aq1k5DAAHiEEZLjvnnQcZVjQDcM9Ovl25fa4Jb9NgdXt ElvfB6tD/8EkYlvUu7WzL+TqG7701kqJdPtFIkrItiemEr1DeuSDg4Jl74TAE0GIDObA W1zZmrfgBput9IRxagNMbUqgBzem5jfKJVrqBP2lXhVrtvWXGuGDXfMz6u6GBT17JS/g yYAwExzLNAQ9ndKy93iYFJfvtABzu1OC/LS5WLLRkoj0zfUgEIqyF3XzLASl5y0p+d9v Rj7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=8AMqO3r0zBbb7Nd05WoTH+Nb7ROlq/FkBBzcmvS5zGs=; b=Fpfk69RnR3BNCFw0PcabbblWTNWZ5NMB8QvncdPrGDbZ0cV4qi0bPa0hlA+SuijhY6 AWMTeF9GQkB/dQnMVIbeU0BCziRKrHg5HJ37ytGt9+4TG45nM/e8ksGIL/i0P8MILbXb wIGtgcbi2NEVS9BZuZlI0NckN9/WJSkEEZDU6znnlPFeQXkYD4RVLSJF/gVBZnVgYiKt RGucSPk8kCDm5/bMTLZP/iLS/5lMzEEQmu9YBmpD0mIQDg3hwYRHJnknDIrx23XvGtR1 ryG9em0gNl9NflwgsMTyZHQAfW977Tcv0+GwgY+E+rmowao2r07fiCe9bTa+E5YuiIoy 61Ig== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIxEw6dBL8arv0ajp16IdCr0jbQQGhK5yTlNtURr8dKE9jNM7PTkswQcR7j6DN/EA== X-Received: by 10.25.88.85 with SMTP id m82mr4510057lfb.93.1460141634571; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (37-33-67-252.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.67.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id nv8sm2225295lbb.7.2016.04.08.11.53.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 21:53:47 +0300 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <405D227D-EEC6-458F-8F14-8100172E6C18@gmail.com> References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Subject: Re: [Bloat] the "ietf" accord bof X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 18:53:56 -0000 > On 8 Apr, 2016, at 05:51, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > The session was closed by > ted hardie's refresher of how rfc791's original use case, but the > slides don't do it justice. It=E2=80=99s perhaps worth remembering that RFC791 defined the = TOS/Precedence bits as end-to-end stable, a property explicitly removed = by Diffserv. Of all of Diffserv=E2=80=99s failings, I think this has = become the most troublesome. - Jonathan Morton