From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] sigcomm wifi
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 02:49:23 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41D2E5CF-E01F-4001-9902-D4B3980F4F0B@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140823234055.GA8622@sesse.net>
On 24 Aug, 2014, at 2:40 am, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 02:29:50AM +0300, Jonathan Morton wrote:
>> Multi-target MIMO allows an AP to transmit to several clients
>> simultaneously, without requiring the client to support MIMO themselves.
>> This requires the AP's antennas and radios to be dynamically reconfigured
>> for beamforming - giving each client a clear version of its own signal and
>> a null for the other signals - which is a tricky procedure. APs that do
>> implement this well are highly valuable in congested situations.
>
> FWIW; I don't think you're right about the nulls. Beamforming has some gain,
> and there are some “darker spots”, but they're not what the algorithm is
> aiming for (it aims to maximize the signal at the client, not to minimize it
> at all other clients), and it's not -inf dB, more like -10 dB.
That's true of plain beamforming, whose goal is to increase SNR to a particular client. That's been around since 802.11g days. But that's not what I'm talking about here.
I'm talking specifically about 802.11ac multi-target MIMO, which *does* attempt to null out the other clients to which it is simultaneously transmitting, purely so that it *can* transmit to them simultaneously. But that's only two or three other clients to form nulls for, not the hundred others who are not involved in that particular timeslot.
- Jonathan Morton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-23 23:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-19 16:45 Dave Taht
2014-08-20 7:12 ` Eggert, Lars
2014-08-20 14:01 ` Dave Taht
2014-08-20 22:05 ` Jim Gettys
2014-08-21 6:52 ` Eggert, Lars
2014-08-21 7:11 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-21 8:30 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:07 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-22 23:50 ` David Lang
2014-08-23 19:26 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-23 23:29 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-23 23:40 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-23 23:49 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2014-08-24 1:33 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 2:29 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 5:12 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 6:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 8:24 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 9:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-25 7:25 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-30 7:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-31 20:46 ` Simon Barber
2014-08-25 7:35 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-24 1:09 ` David Lang
2014-08-25 8:01 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-25 8:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2014-08-25 8:33 ` Michael Welzl
2014-08-25 9:18 ` Alex Burr
2014-08-31 22:37 ` David Lang
2014-08-31 23:09 ` Simon Barber
2014-09-01 0:25 ` David Lang
2014-09-01 2:14 ` Simon Barber
2014-08-31 22:35 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 6:56 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 7:04 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 9:46 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-08-21 19:49 ` David Lang
2014-08-21 19:57 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 17:07 ` Jan Ceuleers
2014-08-22 18:27 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 8:58 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:34 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:41 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:52 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:56 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-23 0:03 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 9:23 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2014-08-21 9:30 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-22 23:30 ` David Lang
2014-08-22 23:40 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-20 8:30 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2014-08-21 6:58 ` David Lang
2014-08-24 3:49 Hal Murray
2014-08-24 3:52 ` Jonathan Morton
2014-08-24 5:14 ` David Lang
2014-08-25 7:43 ` Michael Welzl
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