From: Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
To: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
Cc: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk, dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:26:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A0D5B3-FFAA-40A3-B94C-6D01C99D92EB@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJUtOOhinMu4Mv9EW-PB7ef9EHWL3inpeABUqFt0UDAw47MixA@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Mar 21, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Now, I hope to really piss You off with the following statement :-P but:
>
> even sub 5/1 Mbps “broadband” in Africa with bufferbloat fixed on as many hops along the internet journey from a data center to the customers mobile device (or with just LibreQoS middle box in the ISP’s network) is feeling way better than 25Gbps XG-PON. The only time the XG-PON guy could really feel like a king of the world would be during his speedtest.
Nope. Sorry - this doesn't piss me off :-) It's just true.
- 7mbps/768kbps DSL with an IQrouter works fine for two simultaneous Zoom conferences. (Even though no one would think that it's fast.)
- I recommend people on a budget drop their ISP speed so they can afford a router that does SQM https://forum.openwrt.org/t/so-you-have-500mbps-1gbps-fiber-and-need-a-router-read-this-first/90305/40 <https://forum.openwrt.org/t/so-you-have-500mbps-1gbps-fiber-and-need-a-router-read-this-first/90305/40>
The people that get annoyed are those who just upgraded to 1Gbps service and still are getting fragged in their games.
Rich
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2023-01-09 15:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [Bloat] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 0:11 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15 5:20 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [Bloat] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [Bloat] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` Rich Brown [this message]
2023-03-21 12:31 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 12:53 ` Rich Brown
2023-03-21 15:22 ` Jan Ceuleers
2023-03-21 18:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:22 ` dan
2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23 ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 0:07 ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26 0:50 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 8:45 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 0:28 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:57 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 21:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 21:26 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 17:06 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Larry Press
2023-03-28 17:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 18:11 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-28 18:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 21:31 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 22:18 ` dan
2023-03-28 22:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 8:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-29 13:40 ` [Bloat] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
2023-03-29 14:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-29 16:53 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-29 18:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:13 ` [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-29 17:34 ` dan
2023-03-29 20:03 ` David Lang
2023-03-29 17:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2023-03-29 19:02 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:08 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:31 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:11 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-29 13:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27 ` dan
2023-03-14 9:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02 ` [Bloat] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:04 ` [Bloat] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:22 ` [Bloat] Offtopic: passive ping. was: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-13 18:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:48 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-01-09 20:49 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 20:20 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Dick Roy
2023-01-10 17:36 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David P. Reed
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