From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x235.google.com (mail-qt0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A20DE3B2A2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x235.google.com with SMTP id c47so19289993qtc.2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:16:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Yu8oC+QsYe06DzIE0l0+W4mlb+rZN4DkwubQeCWBiZY=; b=n4Ft/xkPK/2aQWPguMO3KzjuPS90zr4OSNeIx8Dxz4iiBOwPjaZpGs/qjmGKxK3EQd cIhO398wiUmgN6ceE3gkZzxgy1zV+STRxXwPo1g02A+kriiPQ7bkiXh/dYMWFnM/H6wE CKon/lV8JE0IbRpOal4Z/fnhrEEbKoMv7TVw3i9ARi0c2vlc/eDVo7pmhcjeDw2j0CFQ vu2ndmR5SsCGICpq0GQmBPlJZW6gQ8Drk6AbtHOJEjuV5hhbwVCKQALpOwl+Zj6Q7/TN aBUxlYuzle738hhzwUhou8GqtjKRLGGWpvNldrr/02H4tF+nH6WMlRJMxANPchWqXIND j+7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Yu8oC+QsYe06DzIE0l0+W4mlb+rZN4DkwubQeCWBiZY=; b=hGQFVD63/WnGY3cwMBqyjY29rk48bTQBj1OtYk/BYRib2Wdsg27yWLDiGw/1rE6U5G YyJU7rmrcnxS7mg0CiKBDPtOV+Z1xm+l5Yn8eXdZ0aVIZ7FdWEXmhaffmj+MICX2AzMk UqIGBJVeiK1w//EK/rJkyzOl2SUidRvWidAh7ZiHZPMBgVVXeYF6gocgah5MEpLLLzpo +CjivQlqvKf/CkPn7lfHwfvsbFn7htD9sP03ArkeaNefqrJYAr9qAh7vN9kqUZKCK+lc 9LgYE4/EFNtCVzr9ozjF8QKFWk+w9sIGzVcO8NapG8cEJHhhdAkX5d/rXT9OGdMIiUGm 68Cg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03TavhyYzIZqHXxR6tLJaO5/8WONBCPrB/6AdMzrVl61aJeAXq/vbX91i9V4w1mgQ== X-Received: by 10.200.39.83 with SMTP id h19mr3697052qth.290.1479924977045; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from richs-mbp-6659.lan (d-ptld-bng1-64-222-154-203.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.222.154.203]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r188sm16902817qkb.6.2016.11.23.10.16.16 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:16:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:16:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4BD9ED0C-9FF6-4A12-9F8C-76791BFA38E8@gmail.com> References: To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:16:17 -0000 I feel particularly acutely the fact that we don't have a good "simple = to deliver" solution today for the curious (not deeply commited) person. = I was trying to help a friend with a TP-Link Archer C7, but was stymied = because I can't simply install OpenWrt CC because of their "FCC fix". Besides, OpenWrt CC is now eight months old: although it's stable, it = probably doesn't have the latest bufferbloat/make-wifi-fast fixes. The = DD development and release process is uncertain. DD-Wrt is of unknown = quality (does it include fq_codel? make-wifi-fast? will it ever?), with = a really ugly and not terribly-welcoming forum. I have great hopes for = LEDE, but it is still sprinting toward its first stable release, so we = can't count on it today. So we are stuck in the short term with a "lack of a product". I have = faith that it will happen, but we need to build our plan around its = arrival date. Rich=