From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C90D3B2A4 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id l15-v6so16201389wmc.1 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=AofuwLx15TZHfiW1Fue9R/d3Hl7hZkZ843H4rWR7fF0=; b=XOD0VeuE3Q8OM3LDikaAoOwBGCJDIl5M6XoAv0ECUp4nN1zCXHCCxVPm3nuz3hH6B9 0KIojMxYTndTyEF/LlnX6lbdoQNQNOcl0Dac9xYq4YNbVXVnKi8janNjGa1a6II1KRmJ MfYK+Nhr5LpDf7i1HR0kFESKzbS5CF6C8ialcNLocX7+VqCW4bhIMs1lQTUzeT/STOub 1XZouSxD4vT/5DZ2O1h6iYXjkLNbnLVLJoiJdV9VDcstqzp7FNurZLZfemQIQw5oIcPh 7p4Jvpj6q8a9D7G3FDG+PxtvSUTqTjrVXyHj8fyx6YYyecsLfjO/U8fFc6Zr/Px+3S96 q5mQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=AofuwLx15TZHfiW1Fue9R/d3Hl7hZkZ843H4rWR7fF0=; b=uQBJQRzC/7zG3Yjo9EBaBxmSY91IGZdhfFsIx2GSlJwUTxauiCSHBcq44YCFaZJR/n U94BUKB89a7H9L1eVe4Qk0QYXFv97J5E41nQcvFhh+Uy4xdRlZjwVXU3AKzGnFlyeLv8 rCejRpXG72lMTayMu1R+3Uzpf+ube71CKDtJo6Q+QrJOPzbKH9NxQ2gz4Y02yIsm1iIV GCp5ujySl/VS7I4fwAW17akEQF+kBtghnlbjvv4OFtM1MC37ZTz/oVuSVrwwruCNUnMF cU/6lhx52s1DIcgg0RmooeBq415GEDSokenqMcivSvdOFzOR3a0lq2+cDyVrTJH0s6IK BE2g== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0fo4pkScMaOvm3OzzBRx5Hzh35uzK5jPjzY3lpUqgcTEVoK1ad oisU/bFBlz+wa8QRx/8dZQ9QXQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI5UUNk/eS5b91WGJheUpEZ/68c0jPGHS4tonFDSXqDZIFX/tmoPEkXWEk1CqeIje0XQSCHFg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:e8c:: with SMTP id 134-v6mr9948350wmo.51.1529351365195; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n23-v6sm7728558wmh.6.2018.06.18.12.49.24 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B5964FF3-BE5D-4605-A5FD-7575D8EB651B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:49:23 +0200 Cc: bloat Message-Id: <4D3ADCCC-4E75-4DD8-8133-B10FA8165017@heistp.net> References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Eduard Grigorescu's thesis on reducing internet latency X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 19:49:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B5964FF3-BE5D-4605-A5FD-7575D8EB651B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 18, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=3Duk.bl.ethos.737962 >=20 > The thesis picks on me for not explaining fq_codel well enough and = fails > to cite any of toke's work, and I'm unfond of the characterisation of = rural > broadband as a 2mbit-only service, but aside from that... pretty good = thesis, > and a pretty good explanation of how fq_codel works. In Czech, rural broadband seems to be dominated by WISPs. That=E2=80=99s = that selfish reason why I want to understand bloat in these networks. = Referring to a ten year old Czech article, Wikipedia says: "There were 879 Wi-Fi based WISPs in the Czech Republic as of May 2008, = making it the country with most Wi-Fi access points in the whole EU.=E2=80= =9D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Internet_service_provider = --Apple-Mail=_B5964FF3-BE5D-4605-A5FD-7575D8EB651B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 18, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=3Duk.bl.ethos.737962=

The thesis picks on me for not explaining = fq_codel well enough and fails
to cite any of toke's work, = and I'm unfond of the characterisation of rural
broadband = as a 2mbit-only service, but aside from that... pretty good thesis,
and a pretty good explanation of how fq_codel works.

In Czech, rural broadband seems to be dominated by WISPs. = That=E2=80=99s that selfish reason why I want to understand bloat in = these networks. Referring to a ten year old Czech article, Wikipedia = says:

"There = were 879 Wi-Fi based WISPs in the Czech Republic as = of May 2008, making it the country with most Wi-Fi access = points in the whole EU.=E2=80=9D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Internet_service_provide= r

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