From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-083-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.83]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3022E2D3C for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-02-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-02-ewr.local [10.0.141.224]) by mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568B61F4F48 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:56:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 136.186.1.33 Received: from gpo4.cc.swin.edu.au (gpo4.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.33]) by mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2531F4A9E for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [136.186.229.43] (garmitage2.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.43]) by gpo4.cc.swin.edu.au (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2KMtxxv025449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:56:00 +1100 Message-ID: <4D8685F5.4060507@swin.edu.au> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:55:49 +1100 From: grenville armitage User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <4D7F4121.40307@freedesktop.org> <20110315175942.GA10064@goldfish> <1300212877.2087.2155.camel@tardy> <20110315183111.GB2542@tuxdriver.com> <29B06777-CC5F-4802-8727-B04F58CDA9E3@gmail.com> <20110315205146.GF2542@tuxdriver.com> <219C7840-ED79-49EA-929D-96C5A6200401@gmail.com> <20110315151946.31e86b46@nehalam> <1300228592.2087.2191.camel@tardy> <1300229578.2565.29.camel@edumazet-laptop> <87fwqo54n7.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <823E2A7B-4F46-4159-8029-BD3B075CC4CE@gmail.com> <87bp1b6fo0.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <87bp1b4yh4.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <7480559F-1F3B-4CE5-939F-FD9FD3E68E52@cisco.com> <909F3A19-C7DA-4E38-9BB0-A2EA5F625B7F@gmail.com> <87aagpe7af.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> In-Reply-To: <87aagpe7af.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:56:05 -0000 On 03/21/2011 09:50, Dave T=E4ht wrote: [..] > We're not testing interplanetary networks here, (rather, an artificiall= y > induced one extending out well beyond the moon!) but it bears a little > thinking about. Perhaps an idea for presenting bufferbloat visually? Draw a picture of th= e space around the Earth, with circles around the earth whose diameters are= proportional to bufferbloat-induced equivalent RTT across different ISP links, or different consumer hardware, etc. "Bufferbloat puts New Yor= k on the far side of the moon!" might be a tagline to get people's attentio= n ;) cheers, gja