From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (omr5.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.55]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8A4201A60 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cm-omr2 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p3QIX3bJ009541 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:33:03 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr2 smtp.user=wes@mti-systems.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: wes@mti-systems.com Received: from [95.211.13.33] ([95.211.13.33:55367] helo=[10.6.0.6]) by cm-omr2 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 86/47-13209-EDF07BD4; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:33:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:32:58 -0400 From: Wesley Eddy Organization: MTI Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:32:44 -0000 On 4/26/2011 2:17 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > "Big Buffers Bad. Small Buffers Good." > > "*Some* packet loss is essential for the correct operation of the Internet" > > are two of the memes I try to propagate, in their simplicity. Even > then there are so many qualifiers to both of those that the core > message gets lost. The second one is actually backwards; it should be "the Internet can operate correctly with some packet loss". -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems