From: Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>
To: Bill Sommerfeld <wsommerfeld@google.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:40:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DB85516.5040801@mti-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim+HYGLv+=em5x=R=ZtnbyRhxkC1w@mail.gmail.com>
On 4/27/2011 1:10 PM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:21, Wesley Eddy<wes@mti-systems.com> wrote:
>> Ideally, you may have a path with ample bandwidth such that packet
>> losses don't occur and all connections are either application limited or
>> receive window limited and congestion control never kicks in. In this
>> case, there's no loss and the Internet clearly works.
>
> This situation is not really "ideal" because it indicates an
> unbalanced system -- you've probably spent too much on link bandwidth
> and not enough on end system performance.
>
>
Many applications are inherently limited in max rate; e.g. VoIP and
video streams with fixed-rate codecs, telemetry, etc.
The elevator pitch should be that optimizing for low loss is harmful
and needs to be balanced with optimizing latency. It should not be
saying that loss is required.
--
Wes Eddy
MTI Systems
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-04-27 17:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-26 17:05 Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28 ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10 ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40 ` Wesley Eddy [this message]
2011-04-27 7:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-04-30 19:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40 ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11 8:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11 9:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:16 ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13 5:00 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 14:35 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 0:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16 7:51 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 9:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23 ` Jim Gettys
[not found] ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-17 7:49 ` BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16 ` Dave Taht
[not found] ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32 ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06 4:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14 ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08 0:15 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08 3:04 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 3:07 ` Fred Baker
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