From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95370201A73 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so2859595qyk.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/gfa3iMicQBT7dv2J3CfTMpGk47w9z1s4G0v3pbskNs=; b=v0XnPOZ+z/m4WrF7kg8dyh4Kb4U+fjqILSwPQF7vrpJ6cMlnRfT5dwKwxei4L/1S9J u+BWerSTOjpFz8tmELvMBPzvXstMgM/lokm41Qvz8a7xMaVr+QEwWRovEwjY7QDbrNma HiJWEyyo9UXxS8BbA0QxIvGtxG9stng+rX08o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=jPtFMoWi/TK5yulybRYbo+TRHcCmLBEBdof16nuFuEGYOiFXk8ZIN89+rBIpC32Xkt qtCQfLUSyLV6qWHFsaWrOpoLcatprV2kRSjBxT97h+I3A9QbNdxwN0ZQlkGAxjiG47m7 bBj7h5jyiTb3y2HaktMscVjC33Ka0ii6b4JHo= Received: by 10.224.115.202 with SMTP id j10mr4553237qaq.2.1306854181216; Tue, 31 May 2011 08:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.43.191] (c-24-218-177-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.177.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m16sm81856qck.28.2011.05.31.08.02.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 08:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4DE50322.2020807@freedesktop.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 11:02:58 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <7iaae6k2z8.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <7iaae6k2z8.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Applying RED93 in south africa X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:46:17 -0000 On 05/28/2011 04:02 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> ecn is not being negotiated on tcp connections to SA(??), > That's unfortunately pretty common. A common practice is to clear any > priority information in packets coming into your network; unfortunately, > a lot of routers clear the whole DSCP byte, including the ECN bits. > There is some data on this in Bauer and Beverly's Caida workshop results: http://gettys.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/caida-workshop-aims-2011-bauer-and-beverly-ecn-results/ It looks like *most* networks don't clobber the bits, though some do. So far, the networks who clobber the bits have been helpful on fixing them. - Jim