From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vx0-f171.google.com (mail-vx0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 882A3201A78 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vxc40 with SMTP id 40so5652928vxc.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V1kvGqiiXv6gaAbD6WwFtNnbZyZWbZggWjF1dS62vXQ=; b=mFxhESJQ+C2YmAPeUlng72c8td5tP0meT3AyQe67y0AUKLoIVDouakZt+E5we7UEEc qDYvPv71cHxDiMvUeaPNLrpVdpxLxujZ+8hmRb2lI6uAoNollFG8zTBBDkKUlX1Q/6XJ Uu2Ua3wljrK7IVRGxItB/T4Ac4EX0l6qtCU4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lO3U5nj9PGHhb5YrH4nOahnyzNhLr0Q956D3VG9XNurnb55OGIBkK3xi2pOfetje1m WOnJEA2I89o5ybWTQlItxdiJLfokKxkKZGj/YvMicU4dS9DeIT0u1ZmFWs6hy6Zt96pL X7kGwbij6SPL2hkliS7aiDPUMOGidmCX/RnxY= Received: by 10.52.182.35 with SMTP id eb3mr878283vdc.69.1306869569954; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.43.191] (c-24-218-177-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.218.177.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bp7sm98892vbb.23.2011.05.31.12.19.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <4DE53F3F.2080804@freedesktop.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:19:27 -0400 From: Jim Gettys Organization: Bell Labs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <1306869435.8149.2052.camel@tardy> In-Reply-To: <1306869435.8149.2052.camel@tardy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] philosophical question X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:02:41 -0000 On 05/31/2011 03:17 PM, Rick Jones wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 11:07 -0700, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 21:24, George B. wrote: >>> But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over >>> subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a >>> traffic profile? In other words, I am looking at this from the server >>> aspect rather than from the client aspect. >> Philosophical rhetorical question: If the bottlenecks are all outside >> your network, where do you expect a queue to build up? Where are you >> storing packets that can't be sent right away? >> >> I'd think the TCP congestion control algorithms would be the thing to >> worry about, rather than qdiscs... > Definitely. > > One of these days I really should write the "Farragut" congestion > control module - "Damn the losses, full speed ahead" :) No need to bother: web servers and clients are already doing this to us, with the N connections crossed by the initial congestion window changes :-(. - Jim