From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from omr10.networksolutionsemail.com (omr10.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4736520069D for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cm-omr10 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr10.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q07MGuQX009266 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:16:56 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr10 smtp.user=wes@mti-systems.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) X-Authenticated-UID: wes@mti-systems.com Received: from [174.130.102.76] ([174.130.102.76:55204] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by cm-omr10 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 1A/85-11818-854C80F4; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <4F08C45B.2080902@mti-systems.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:16:59 -0500 From: Wesley Eddy Organization: MTI Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Briscoe References: <1325481751.2526.23.camel@edumazet-laptop> <4F046F7B.6030905@freedesktop.org> <201201051753.q05Hqx78012678@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> <201201071944.q07Ji3Xu021105@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <201201071944.q07Ji3Xu021105@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] What is fairness, anyway? was: Re: finally... winning on wired! X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:17:19 -0000 +1 to everything that Bob said. In the last several years, the thinking on this topic has advanced quite a bit, largely due to work that Bob, Matt Mathis, and others are doing. In my opinion, pure FQ concepts are interesting and may have some application, but for the general Internet, are "not even wrong". -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems