From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 718A13CB37 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 18:06:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1708902365; x=1709507165; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=fZw/bGriaWFT+uuK44Z/Q5rTYecssyDD+7GsXRN+EQs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References: To; b=MD6usPh2UcsdE5U/dM9v02TJgqkGrJZaWrZdqeETY7JlPmKpw6csZbIMXkemCKQU rcMDiKpju46JIZlxlh0pDXqOZiSNYYFLOfJFAQv1vP8SFLBrpSR/tyTSnfo6nP3yR loIooY12+ZEe3TQEa+NAdUZKHY6DV30q0GborfjQaCcF7gtNfBttswKprVJPIFZ6u +2m3UnZVQe2cl/KsgjiC3Qy4oOCblxymmE8AbTMwbB+W3I6h/YGhFHsDaH+3LsDgU rv12TUbmORIstqIuopqT0EnDC/zER1NPo7++5IryVRunxlW5f79a332TCtFWkLsGt C3iauSPZ4Q3WjpT5cw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([95.112.101.151]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpDNf-1r7ZSM19RP-00qlwy; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:06:05 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:05:53 +0100 Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4F1F195B-38C7-41F2-95A4-F85918F69848@gmx.de> References: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2qpTmG0jOIdufxU+JTOrLRMtoTOYgzNOdoTwnv5k8+2zROuhBi+ KtNd216QAyp9ZsrOWoJoQGhBz+fR0QuIkE9RLUUTDasO/K/BFEhoRaDWTMyzTUXHidlntfZ WKcOV4qYvJC5mAOktl2yqWgefQxcnzlm16GoHimRX4ayfoi3FUdws1AwwIM/A2sU2yFutyT MOtHf2LJKwWS4kJF8pW1Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:KPkJnWcgt3M=;WwX1mvg4/n4L8TVWxWEipiyn07X 4HxJ+wvdtJ16JgH4q2L4nAgI55trwnOxAN9Kxf4lGsF9xVxb9dnnH3A9/Pa61Kz2fdwj41586 kHiMMv/DtRkWsLBN3p7Yr7jdrfD0Qzj3LhO/Fs8it564bBYYzfcuL6RWQpuyCUS5JnODgNddm zKwEO4ISNXZ/VKRxv8thBlSIs1D+dnPP8UQgSXsxoyYvkoHhGbNDXghBCf9aqixuIfTjE90S+ 2vxmrwVwmypVOl/iXQVqPYUd1gpD3yg1qhyarUlvsN6vqeiR9RDUsoo4kbqh6Wg3cZ2RAopi0 iAin5wFeV+1MRLWoHu03t8PLuKUycBYqLqiWuztlHpI1xTqy7IzjWNQPZnjg1Zb8mzdvxu5el E+xmsH+wzbczk/Z5Z08PKoOLWNwx4RCb7WxytLB1GKA8p+8dJA3XK3Wgc+u7kziEPJ2lQCvbH tzdqSgs81E5vsZK5bgy/Mno5tMJxyX0DmU/iTRnMepkGGsol3iLV4UChUSexjxHJdjIJ4jAgK 79WUQmN50wylJ6uRloHJQ+LE36ylD3W5pQaPJhUz4bMwx3zObhvKrA1LnOtEv5ibn9iPCF7NB pltBvwdNRSp89WouyCmyNS5l9GE4x/hJm/NoRYKbU6W80HSAr1MpEZQtR0O7wCoJc7hj/iuGB YH0Jutp4x9K1TxEPjqCQCaKAqdP1YIwbg71DT2Ildqca7CsJcPdVv60M9v4eEwc+TwQgvtf1m PgkCTV+0fVgoeLQ8IUVbvpr4iXPqTyujhx5421P3KsdhB/irvymYlw7QrAA8qDufIK/EqWWDn CY5P0aR1G1VmFlp0gdquZ5aaZj0vyfIJPLQ6KnS922iYo= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:06:10 -0000 Hi David, > On 25. Feb 2024, at 23:57, David Lang via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 25 Feb 2024, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote: >=20 >> Am I right to despair? Are there no routers out there that we can = recommend in good faith that are easy to install, powerful enough (for = SQM) at ordinary speeds, and won't break the bank? >=20 > the problem is the 'easy to install' requirement. Too many vendors = (including ones that used to be easy to install) are adding extra hoops = to jump through on the newer models. >=20 > Right now, I'm going for the e8450 (seems to also be listed as e8451 = for a single and e8454 for a 4 pack) = amazon.com/Linksys-E8451-AX3200-WiFi-Router/dp/B0BJBQK6TH/ but = installing requires jumping through a couple hoops (downgrade factory = firmware, then install openwrt) >=20 > Also looking forward to the OpenWRT one router. That is going to be fun. My plan is to replace my trusty wndr3700v2 as = dumb AP, but let's see when this becomes available for actual = purchase... (I am still on the fence about the wisdom to opt for an a53 = CPU core (not an a53 fan, this thing seems to have glass jaws a plenty), = but I guess it will run circles around the in order single core in the = wndr36700v2) Again this seems to implicate the nanopi 4RS as a decent option as it = seems to use an sd card, which should make installation relative easy... = (I guess I need to get my hands on one for actual testing before = continued cheer leading ;) ) >=20 > David Lang > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat