From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DB303B2A0 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id 140so81450143wmv.0 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:51:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DcY6EkGT8P3lpjcoZ4tABz1LxwxOnoCh1zmLg6ur9is=; b=bkVUi7+zYXM77tBCxkkcOg2hz7l4McUSGVTMXKrhtR7Iz//n4njhPf7G0wOsa940rt TfyKRqT++GC9583/sVVY/WT5h1jtII2fGf0+P3ZQbC/2GYQgSrJb0UBaB/y12F6xsIZt 3Hk1l7wVWdRX3A1vUOcDEXp856FbAg+XGzKIvXbZn+5r+oqD2m1RhVZENhc81vy/FHu/ 9lCjW0qoKc0YpEL9joWs5ZeNwh8oKM1S5NSk1pNfpim7kDKdwvzC+7SW4KPJlabcXFb5 5tsXtfACrqR6bDvD/jVj3i+8NU0jjbiTtU96hkiO7RTkj630CjybooSwtY1wLy9xLyuH CGXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DcY6EkGT8P3lpjcoZ4tABz1LxwxOnoCh1zmLg6ur9is=; b=LJB6A7I2Jji0fXc0E2O93jQpq8ROsbur1bt8yJ4v00nrFb3HT+EqtlhwdABhIhhglZ slZJumBbn2NPz6/qmHyXpqaPiBhIT0WUjndtSX9yFesQivWG4Bar5xEerNPYKkH6ZkMO 3An22R4NHLEF4p3XT+FCk4TvfOOQQMPKMlHDZBhrxrJWJLse+s/vzjmO1kwWhoGY0/DZ aZik6U44W7+EwHBQ+CHjs5BxAEDgOTIQbEtefmVyS/MbPuum6gt7e07G53tL3pkyrb65 xPVDcvwJKxez+jS+lFt3ewV46AvS+LtglcMgrTiEs2LNjam58TN4DsWU2bWKUCp3eaSY VkEg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdGTP1/8JXhXVBBMwbUMac199jVNJY93wauP5Ue21mAp8RTO1CvtmffeCkWdryEYw== X-Received: by 10.28.132.130 with SMTP id g124mr4532942wmd.37.1477669906954; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zotac.xperim.be ([91.177.64.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id za1sm14786557wjb.8.2016.10.28.08.51.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.172] (mordor.xperim.be [192.168.1.172]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7FAF48127B; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:51:44 +0200 (CEST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <5a2d4224-3f4e-80f0-3b0b-b2fbbdd59697@gmail.com> <77a4abf0-bc94-0d2e-eebe-d72e2e676255@gmail.com> From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <4c6ff33d-fb93-6bab-4c6e-4dc4045382aa@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:51:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 15:51:54 -0000 On 27/10/16 21:48, Aaron Wood wrote: > That sounds like it was in the right ballpark. Trenching is so > expensive, only doing it every couple decades sounds like a reasonable > plan (even better if you trench conduit that you can run replaceable > cables in (which is what AT&T did when they took U-Verse into the Santa > Cruz mountains). Yes, except that in the years leading up to 2000/2001 everyone had the attitude "build it and they will come", meaning that there was a race for everyone to get their own fiber into the ground which actually drove the cost up rather than down, due to a lack of capacity in the contracting sector, and also because lots of governments and local authorities saw this stqggering peak in network construction activity as an opportunity to make lots of money from rights of way.