From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de [IPv6:2001:470:96b9:4:130:149:220:252]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A1C21F164 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (h184-60-29-141.mdsnwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net [184.60.29.141]) by mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3905A4C2E7D for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:33:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50AA26FA.2000300@net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:32:58 +0100 From: Oliver Hohlfeld User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120411 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat and the web service providers X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:33:04 -0000 > (...) because the real problem was > bufferbloat - and then work together to move forward, on an > engineering, rather than political basis. (...) > I have long hoped to get these services aware > that they needed to help fix bufferbloat if they wanted their cloud > based businesses to work better. Is there any evidence that they do suffer from bufferbloat? And if so, how many of their customers are affected? 0.001%? 0.1%? 10%? So, what is the economical extend of the problem for these services providers? Before thinking about scripts and massive lobbying campaigns, why don't we answer the most basic questions first? --Oliver