From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sonic313-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic313-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.65.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF6F33CB3A for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s2048; t=1522673217; bh=P9X+Cu4IT4ctZHewO4qjxl7sj81EK8M/oEz6zAd44L0=; h=Subject:Reply-To:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=FkHE9CpqXLIPTzskQdVX5S3BgeH75wZSnvDecNnkotXOzOgqwVxaJpmLpuqg6aJbeqTusT1tKFlhVnukA8Y1w+hEs07nJIDwN5fSoSUaDnxDtrdmuhZrukYtYsXVqufYSle76Mwhh3nZ3BtO+mDHbPi60+agLXJH3RCp6qB7d1+JlhoxlV55g51eBIvtttCwoTgkcPaVYEHmjQxgEKPbTWcpAfOrd9HcRKImurMILpoJMscsDge1KkwRtlCglVJZNMG6919W3YVWuTgTlDf0Y/Yfb5TTvx3GAWpo/wAgCidAl9qt1tf0xkiuGLpWOSUigTawce+O9ekokZholetFSA== X-YMail-OSG: rVZrdesVM1khvDKtCRi43zj1tkffLDp3gO_nNxXz27CYLlZuKdDw1rA7mlgcgGq 4O64vYpTa5vEedbEQXp.BEn2uD856hqe8yqx_OomJhNG7hUD9weYY6G416fjARI7fBTdjy.Hv70z AGqiUpyjNAdVI6.fTVBdwyXfJW8DqyZGzQeJ9m7Sa28gBnO4jwiCmgYVvWyEtYqLvXrLkevWgTVl C8kdcNfH19Z1uAHH3NOQAh2w.ajsNjbOJfSae5yOtIRCFXc2vTfNfzdC4PQy8JEzHNHND.gMklDR 1fvBV7Lu_G.LCINA9ABfAj59oyLn34Ri1lz6eWRmV8hPcMxrRAePPDDv_LXwT47n4F2khnE0oq_h Ijm360AYd80VUh0oOLE.rKy0yUulim2Av.dNI90TWobYExakPQbxLbyhr9xn0IFgbU0vOYOGx1J9 BTOmQB2CD8SylvmJgvFUBeN.vTw2WcO_m8cnuVAtL3_GSsHXWTYxL6o_EiZ1UlCtjVZIK.9fmTYT B5FSGm0zNKDem5itHsczmiVxjn0rLIuS0FLY- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:46:57 +0000 Received: from asrd.casalemedia.com (EHLO [10.4.10.183]) ([192.139.80.1]) by smtp419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a8173ec13fdb9145745c195511e577c6; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 12:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net References: To: bloat From: David Collier-Brown X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <50e57074-4ca5-59f7-f010-d9b2b845a8a7@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 08:46:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3A5156A64906733F07B325AB" Content-Language: en-US Subject: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 12:46:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3A5156A64906733F07B325AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is  not an initiative I know about, but it mentions Reno and it's inability to use SACK, so it sounds at first hearing to be another dumb gamer thing. Opinions, anyone? --dave (I used to work for World Gaming) c-b -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Four short links: 2 April 2018 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 11:40:00 GMT From: Nat Torkington <> https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-2-april-2018 Four short links: 2 April 2018 /Game Networking, Grep JSON, Voting Ideas, and UIs from Pictures/ 1. Valve's Networking Code -- /a basic transport layer for games. The features are: connection-oriented protocol (like TCP)...but message-oriented instead of stream-oriented; mix of reliable and unreliable messages; messages can be larger than underlying MTU, the protocol performs fragmentation and reassembly, and retransmission for reliable; bandwidth estimation based on TCP-friendly rate control (RFC 5348); encryption; AES per packet, Ed25519 crypto for key exchange and cert signatures; the details for shared key derivation and per-packet IV are based on Google QUIC; tools for simulating loss and detailed stats measurement./ 2. gron -- grep JSON from the command line. 3. The Problem With Voting -- I don't agree with all of the analysis, but the proposed techniques are interesting. I did like the term "lazy consensus" /where consensus is assumed to be the default state (i.e., “default to yes”). The underlying theory is that most proposals are not interesting enough to discuss. But if anyone does object, a consensus seeking process begins./ (via Daniel Bachhuber ) 4. pix2code -- open source code that generates Android, iOS, and web source code for a UI from just a photo. It's not coming for your job any time soon (/over 77% of accuracy/), but it's still a nifty idea. (via Two Minute Papers ) Continue reading Four short links: 2 April 2018. --------------3A5156A64906733F07B325AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This is  not an initiative I know about, but it mentions Reno and it's inability to use SACK, so it sounds at first hearing to be another dumb gamer thing. Opinions, anyone?

--dave (I used to work for World Gaming) c-b

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Subject: Four short links: 2 April 2018
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 11:40:00 GMT
From: Nat Torkington <>

https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-2-april-2018

Four short links: 2 April 2018

Game Networking, Grep JSON, Voting Ideas, and UIs from Pictures

  1. Valve's Networking Code -- a basic transport layer for games. The features are: connection-oriented protocol (like TCP)...but message-oriented instead of stream-oriented; mix of reliable and unreliable messages; messages can be larger than underlying MTU, the protocol performs fragmentation and reassembly, and retransmission for reliable; bandwidth estimation based on TCP-friendly rate control (RFC 5348); encryption; AES per packet, Ed25519 crypto for key exchange and cert signatures; the details for shared key derivation and per-packet IV are based on Google QUIC; tools for simulating loss and detailed stats measurement.
  2. gron -- grep JSON from the command line.
  3. The Problem With Voting -- I don't agree with all of the analysis, but the proposed techniques are interesting. I did like the term "lazy consensus" where consensus is assumed to be the default state (i.e., “default to yes”). The underlying theory is that most proposals are not interesting enough to discuss. But if anyone does object, a consensus seeking process begins. (via Daniel Bachhuber)
  4. pix2code -- open source code that generates Android, iOS, and web source code for a UI from just a photo. It's not coming for your job any time soon (over 77% of accuracy), but it's still a nifty idea. (via Two Minute Papers)

Continue reading Four short links: 2 April 2018.

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