From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de [IPv6:2001:470:96b9:4:130:149:220:252]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B665B21F1B5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 01:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:96b9:1:14cb:af2e:2e24:2838] (ibis.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de [IPv6:2001:470:96b9:1:14cb:af2e:2e24:2838]) by mail.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E26074C39EB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 10:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51876486.70309@net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 10:06:30 +0200 From: Oliver Hohlfeld User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <51856AE3.3070401@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <51856AE3.3070401@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Representing normal vs bloated systems in diagrams X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 08:06:35 -0000 > In ascii art, it might look like this: > ======++++++++++++ > - + > - + > - + > - + What exactly does this plot represent and on what measurement data is it based on? What is your definition of "good" and "bad"? Just response times? Where does it's shape comes from? Before (again) diving into debates on how bufferbloat marketing plots should look like, I think we need to make sure that the marketing is backed up by empirical data. --Oliver