From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE48A200BD0 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 14:58:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.67] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 14:58:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2013 14:58:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1371567528; bh=jQHmq18jCKh4QXbUTDGxLcnjf/IW9k1/wY//xP8JKGQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GhZvBzGjx0bgrJRBMBIeXlPbnAyO7Bg6JHI5QFCiOHzlf4DPhw6Pb27vGHzj19UXPg0NTmwm/Zhy9dLXUVVMU9znYnsrtppj08kipgXVjFHCE76A0LxfMXeBn3XUv2me0CuFeqZBWNzfvrn59LCpDpncjkYk1vEvb3nzwOUuEDo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 150004.17787.bm@smtp104.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1evy5pcVM1knGAdtfG5.zGcv8kn2bJHWUdZe2WT32kklaLl eSA0vQSsoOM4o0qBkOFfT3JRn0BeM7tGWkzxG7R0TIHHPTWoFmmcEpl7NxZy N.E3TXfRD57GTWHh_ARoTDssQCoSqXJMc_bZPmSrMpyx5M2gLMEawE8T.JnM 0qbeYVqYmYUou2CYOSH8Fl3Yfhbfm6WmcZHA81w.xYdB5jvLPK_fXouAcJm7 o_2AY1RR6ITrGhNn.b3pLqI81xsmlpO6JKzO36Dbs5Mjj8_.PjAJGsN7UQdO mcQ4Jc5z8qk8Q8ea08TSK6.rd8N.lQLXvUjUkp.D.ZsB.13XyzNrPmdxz5qh asM4a4E9ZCJTu18cj_rLAD6jK.7NSADGDrkLTXlVW_oYB3m73lcdTxlmIQGp lgCcKr2M3SOUlveyvCBSb4woD2aG3pyQUfDL7t_B0PcOK3u0z_7sVCCEbnPV MEo9jFwqliYy5zPCMoxl8bUdxW.wiIZTKN8UVPMzmaDFYK7fI.lbe9RiTJuB Aowmmc.3pw.s- X-Yahoo-SMTP: sltvjZWswBCRD.ElTuB1l9j6s9wRYPpuyTNWOE5oEg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.101] (davec-b@99.225.204.110 with plain) by smtp104.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2013 07:58:48 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <51C07707.4030003@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:04:39 -0400 From: David Collier-Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130311 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:22:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Bloat] some comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-10.txt, X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:58:51 -0000 On 06/18/2013 01:13 AM, Dave Taht wrote > RFC2309 refers to this 1994 paper: > > "On the Self-Similar Nature of Ethernet Traffic (Extended Version)" > > I would certainly like the model and analysis of this paper repeated > against modern traffic patterns. Has anyone done this? I loved this > paper when it came out.... > My slightly leaky memory says that a little work has been done with Gig and 10 Gig ethernet, by capacity planners who saw smaller errors in queuing-network calculations when the bandwidth was significantly better. Previously the "packet train" phenomenon had been making a mess of their statistical independence assumptions, and giving them huge errors... --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain (416) 223-8968