From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C4863B260 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id o141so813166lff.1 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 03:04:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yvGrDx4RzJvd+2BSol7uncQk+GqW0ZK2RLkeJvb/iR8=; b=ZSRRPIBhR4cFHB2NnrdipHSlJgMhbVkN9LsozL2fJsexuXOchTLzQIjpLSUQi5jd0e dtElr5IKOs+4ejZMgJp2Sjh8yoDAXn5T/EPlksqSIiMYZlNfAWk9vKi2EKhiIXkDIET4 gi416mOw54lau5/SOLVwElMHzwlnjXQM9oFUcIGkeDhnH70zxbVCVoue+468TourB/vI VRzrL273HmFPjdRgp3LfJEm7eAPFwPoPvw3q/QF2RYXFkYnSkJmXbjQ9g/r8GFd/Zd86 8BNnUO073FZW5rjFawMC0SI+N2hsmITy+i0bwShcIj8gIe8xgvWcvWd4khZKpl7sY+Ia qKeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=yvGrDx4RzJvd+2BSol7uncQk+GqW0ZK2RLkeJvb/iR8=; b=Xn/YRO8Yrh5LkvGH2xb0bxfCoahzpQ60Xe7vqDjg3JBadA1aYCMWlJszVCWFoQa6Uc TwG64ELZolE96NUiNiXeAV9FrLTAmilvIIMOpX/nPHJxlW4x0jbGK7bF7Cd3ZN6vd6KY svz/ZGGvEgc9Bp8v2m+D9wcmOzFSfZUvwgiLqPyPh5iL1u9yApOp3XEps5GrZyGBR5eR 0B1Lv9xi2Nssyjd9d0rJOx3VqO/oc3YCH3FaMjtqOFsYviO/vKc8Ef4HAJr7TISxcWqF eeWBNq1fOm5psBIGFzvqjooCFhKz8QUi9iE/pBg3jD7HkuaFMfYTQ9XcPGfCkxKOWQvc D2dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02E4DchQa6GWUVX3Y4JrmzsIy7hMSMdMpXjEwFbOASmAhSXj97VR9hOI2/cw6Q9lQ== X-Received: by 10.25.166.207 with SMTP id p198mr663506lfe.83.1479899077245; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 03:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.13] (37-33-82-144.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.82.144]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 34sm7144847lja.25.2016.11.23.03.04.36 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Nov 2016 03:04:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:04:35 +0200 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <528662CB-DB6A-42A6-A73E-F3AE8AD7F7A4@gmail.com> References: <8d72490d-551a-c58f-991a-1750e9af8df9@gmail.com> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:04:38 -0000 > On 23 Nov, 2016, at 10:28, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > If we can find a product that solves the gaming community problem = (they're one of the people who have "ping" in their applications and who = immediately notices when it's bad), we could perhaps approach someone = prominent in that gaming community and making a video on how to solve = the problem. I can immediately think of one or two people who might be receptive to = such a thing, if we can put together something approachable and = practical. The real problem is that currently our instructions start with = =E2=80=9Creflash your router firmware=E2=80=9D, not with =E2=80=9Cbuy = this inexpensive router that Just Works". - Jonathan Morton