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* Re: [Bloat] How is bufferbloat prevented/fixed for UDP?
@ 2014-05-13  4:33 Hal Murray
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From: Hal Murray @ 2014-05-13  4:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bloat; +Cc: Hal Murray


> 1)With UDP, you cannot uniquely identify a flow? This prevents an
> AQM-algorithm to drop packets for an (several) offending UDP flow(s). 

UDP packets have port numbers, just like TCP.


> 2) Unlike TCP, UDP does not back down when encountering packet loss 

Mumble.  The OS doesn't do it.  It has to be done in user code.  But there is 
no reason that it can't be done there even if it isn't done correctly as 
often as we might like.

I think most DNS code is reasonably sane, mostly because the retransmit 
timeout is several seconds and also because it only retransmits a few times.

The poster child for how to do it wrong is the NTP client that was shipped in 
a zillion Netgear home routers with a hard wired NTP server.  Dave Plonka did 
a wonderful writeup.
  http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/
I call it required reading (and understanding) for anybody interested in 
networks.


-- 
These are my opinions.  I hate spam.




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* [Bloat] How is bufferbloat prevented/fixed for UDP?
@ 2014-05-12  7:11 Forums1000
  2014-05-12 20:21 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Forums1000 @ 2014-05-12  7:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bloat

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Curiously, there is little information to be found regarding bufferbloat
and UDP.

I did find hints briefly alluding to some problems:

1)With UDP, you cannot uniquely identify a flow? This prevents an
AQM-algorithm to drop packets for an (several) offending UDP flow(s).

2) Unlike TCP, UDP does not back down when encountering packet loss

So how does UDP fit in concerning efforts to combat bufferbloat? Having one
queue to mange all UDP 'flows' does not seem like a good approach.

Thanks for shining a light on this:-)

Jeroen

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