From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm11-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7123021F226 for ; Thu, 15 May 2014 07:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2014 14:53:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.157] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2014 14:53:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2014 14:53:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1400165598; bh=7F3nor1wzYH3R2Qbm+M/l69DdWSN1+WRlW6CUZ8FDlo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JTcQgesBUVsSL1M2r4psbszkaQK0kdgUJlrY0gE257Z8CCo5TvGuEBHmH+Wa1JbiWdXx9uNr/1X4nCIbnH7VfuBL/U8vjnkiqD2edX0FrEdwlTrfKrxf+kXLgDuJMPXx3PVoRBAxqfz+51S0DQMwzftFzf13UmYrtvi9XrPQMZk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 391289.74447.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rdn9efAVM1mP2.Uxamajv8i76B0ki9vhjzjdTFNYoBM.1Wd tdoPRXpZw0kMdrJb4hIBvu6xBbqt4DVpsI7jr5fbqlOly00i5QBYmXMo0Wis nngvBXmI8xbOCmGSxe.pyg8_EB1BXmM5lE6xB2OnsjPiU8XYRTH72SF_TPBs u4pe3rdy4Y4m.hX_ebhCvT.cHua_NtxwxmuUPMimhMi5L7eCZ6pJrdTczuwB cWomwSs4o7dhIMdtQPUCwP4lubckMvMp.HkhHfhpXyzegoe.ZKsSWyR6kTjb g5oodqRvPOsKX1djMLhHI.53F_z2V_mLyevBA0jim9Y4XI5tHhgxek978Y02 qWIub.yXhgc7MufdfGgIEIAqpEyF4TSbbqFfHro8BOkuu.Y63kYMhulKmXKg 3HkKGpFCNRaUsCZukzeS.Wxba3aqsh9kV5Gv7bxqz8H.IjTC8nwsxZCVQ7FX 2z92IYEtwAxWzAh.HSG9IaDVqkSGsn2QSJJvIeZ6ne2WFfJ.pXnxePAaM1S_ X67a7Enm9NOGYv6XxqM4Z6M5nXHmIQWVN X-Yahoo-SMTP: sltvjZWswBCRD.ElTuB1l9j6s9wRYPpuyTNWOE5oEg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [10.111.100.146] (davec-b@74.213.188.46 with plain [98.139.221.125]) by smtp117.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2014 14:53:18 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <5374D4DD.4090200@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 10:53:17 -0400 From: David Collier-Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] fq_codel is two years old X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:53:20 -0000 dpreed@reed.com wrote > Fixing buffer bloat allows the edge- and enterprise- networks to be more efficient, > whereas not fixing it lets the edge networks move users up to more and more > expensive "plans" due to frustration and to sell much more gear into Enterprises > because they are easy marks for complex gadgets. The new, snazzier Bell gear Bell flogged to my former across-the-street neighbour is far more affected by bloat than the older, supposedly slower stuff he had before. He promptly went back to "faster and cheaper". The gaming world is also reputedly aware of some new offerings that are great disappointments. They're sensitive to response time. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain