From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7FD721F1A0 for ; Fri, 16 May 2014 19:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2014 02:16:54 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2014 02:16:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2014 02:16:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1400293014; bh=j4J8svYKtQMvl0G5Nx6xjo8oRY49VzIFZUmM6X6GKeg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tKVDKmwCfsXcdynAgT+8cmaSg5scdqKdgvsZ2BP8H/ucBHs2SCmLJaYLOSeoykv2hbBtAm4MrudQSTcmGTx8HXvqFO9VPxSSJ07oXNPpWRx7T0mQFhBoC/ztUWhHmOXMCOd5yDJnSg2rWw2DdLLeBbCGo9+hhS8UIltuIxJCosI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262913.56361.bm@smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: IsfZFW4VM1n.dBmmLTr3lk0aI7pQsjNuFTq_q7pb3Ed3mpT gg78.zBjIswDHS8C2Giyc6bc_wQ9hJQFfOFSoOJ8h_laHfwAScs8ulLqplBV RhyvJSM73Qb_Bb2z0xmr7_piN2_SIsVCbmp35TGy0FMbX9aD3lWsGVI.guPy Ns2YPjTCxK0Po_TKUur4m8wBoF.6p9b27uvGKM_uVDy8QnX22IrYyIV9iiv_ KeiE2ZXsRJMKSra1Q3DsC6QNplKpUNhzKvWmqzWPLZIzo_s6uO.8lLMujaQr orlZc23BctD6olzb9.AVNcV7Pvc.nLgyx__9LbpnOVxTfPxqnXLZhF6maxm9 xeD.Z1dbp_2DSY1aNR4WRbH0KGVuq.2IiGgoHtgfJ.Ijok3kahG1o0nS6GLM N3ht03D_ffY36GNX5D8tn8CzX2Y1Lf_8DRA84LfJY.qN035BUk_FIoBEcsIt 3cs0omLn.cQJr3r4Hzq_evPdi9N6zlnE8sSgOUARWdRRP2ckhDs28osYaJTs Hggj2GXKJW1SJw8hyVElQrgjpv.tkW35Q0A7kPYAVG5kirmd1IzLMo.F25km Ltp52yCj1vUCOgUDCWeJPxHDnKAuPDwEhiZpimu9jOYUzKW9IBO_YFldwcYO WZpIq X-Yahoo-SMTP: sltvjZWswBCRD.ElTuB1l9j6s9wRYPpuyTNWOE5oEg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.0.13] (davec-b@99.225.150.135 with plain [67.195.22.104]) by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2014 02:16:54 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <5376C694.4080706@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:16:52 -0400 From: David Collier-Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Bloat] QOS on the local network (was: fq_codel is two years old) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 02:16:55 -0000 Jim Gettys wrote > Personally, I've mostly been interested in QOS in the local network: as > "hints", for example, that it is worth more aggressive bidding for transmit > opportunities in WiFi, for example to ensure my VOIP, teleconferencing, > gaming, music playing and other actually real time packets get priority > over bulk data (which includes web traffic), and may need access to the > medium sooner than for routine applications or scavenger applications. > > Whether it should have any use beyond the scope of the network that I > control is less than clear to me, for the reasons you state; having my > traffic screw up other people's traffic isn't high on my list of "good > ideas". In the days before Jim, Dave et all stuck a spear in bufferbloat, I was an occasional but happy user of trickle and trickled. Notably where I had a need to keep a network from overloading a slow up-bound link! See http://monkey.org/~marius/trickle, and notably .../trickle.pdf It's probably time to take another look at it as an example of a local service manager, and as a known functional starting point. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain