From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8111F3CB38 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id g1so11258742wmg.2 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:13:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VTPTA2eUOkbKdLDKOWEbNE73NNZZztx6pV40eIhQFMg=; b=H1kEY/xRM65hBAS09vo1enAsRgwpLL2khoP518sXJPnY6DaGt0cPa3iyWXqZXMgGIm 9iy09yF8NSGP3uqXe1313EzJmeOHuXEX+pNybO6us6FGOEpA7TfyqHnTj54yKzhW52Ex bdbhDRQ3OPuDpXqb01sPc5zcX0mO/F2IgdeFP6kblF2mjMk8yR7cUwnx38X1xv9nbC0f LSGmK12Ey4Ovvq4SY7C9+fB9mEFshf27Io1YzXtn9uXiMFLE1L+Xj3ltfpQzhGCiCWkM M4D9uGfTnay69IxSdAQ01V+LrtQycW0nWUYyJCzekBj+k2Nk6PWHY9dfS244Fkqumbrj 6Wvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VTPTA2eUOkbKdLDKOWEbNE73NNZZztx6pV40eIhQFMg=; b=XyhzPQbfSpnm050EVKWGVBG/+LS/3/1MvZUEaWOPaJxYnEofnKKokV3M5BeNfkwwoH f+CWMSLEAiB5pD8VQRLyj7gPaCoLtQhDC7MmpAAblE0Rrl+UrDRkd1CJSCSPnB5a+MIi R+MioTqaTdTajzJHv6LeqtSQ3DDMMFi3HpxPRITkDOOZFHTwvVo04j5nI56LsGapc8rk 2AaItbmYSRJ5pHze7YXlF0OicEUu9529cjg8LDhz1u0V5rvSPAOLtdbhuCVJw2T02rri J/EK2bSrKJWHCWwW/jcAQcnY3dk93mPBPYLIuGYT7uwdMyQTXfVswpxxShD5sthX1iDe B+IA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAfUw7z2qJd2wJj/Ab6TaIqgIv/yZ+wU5sdYTzVj57RR6Be+iNM O7r0EBL7/9ML1c4pfBjbTpg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225CNVPKSYfiE+6LkFeswr4zbuRzz6TirUpjlSxusueWhjASVlcUiKRwv4UYHt+7AZuFVa2mZA== X-Received: by 10.80.195.18 with SMTP id a18mr17435766edb.178.1518459227670; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from zotac.xperim.be ([109.128.177.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y3sm5503924edb.1.2018.02.12.10.13.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34997483D2E; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:13:46 +0100 (CET) To: Dave Taht , Jim Gettys Cc: bloat References: From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <53c420c9-1421-97dd-1a77-15db488ad9ee@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:13:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:13:48 -0000 On 12/02/18 18:55, Dave Taht wrote: > I would certainly like to see translations and outreach into China... > Taiwan... Japan... India... Central and South America... Africa... > > but to me the simpler thing would be to garner folk to ask at > vendor/isp press conferences: "Have you implemented RFC8290 yet? If > not, when?" Devil's advocate: "I don't intend to implement this because, as the document says, it is only intended for examination, experimental implementation and evaluation. I make real products, not experimental-ones."