From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from g4t3426.houston.hp.com (g4t3426.houston.hp.com [15.201.208.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.hp.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G3" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 915D521F359 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from g9t2301.houston.hp.com (g9t2301.houston.hp.com [16.216.185.78]) by g4t3426.houston.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9EC5 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [16.103.148.51] (tardy.usa.hp.com [16.103.148.51]) by g9t2301.houston.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A3D71 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <54F0C0B9.9070702@hp.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:08:41 -0800 From: Rick Jones User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <435DDB48-33B9-400A-ACE3-CD29C50CF6E3@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Packet loss in FCC press release X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:09:12 -0000 On 02/27/2015 07:47 AM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > It's not ideal, but I'm not quite as worried about that as you might be. > There are several potential causes of packet loss in a network, and > increasing buffer sizes is only likely to have a minor and temporary > effect on one of them. > > Meanwhile, increased deployment of ECN would permit adding AQM as a > means to decrease packet loss. > > Random packet loss due to poor quality lines, and also due to dumb > policers and overloaded core routers, is probably what's intended here. Between having been raised in DC, and a wise old engineer teaching me the correct spelling is ass-u-me, I would suggest getting explicit clarification from the FCC is warranted. rick jones