From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm27-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 641E521F338 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 04:47:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s2048; t=1425559619; bh=D4mCWbnq6RsLPk9urD58sTpyGEtBTlaZeXLWEFpLK9g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=aFDX3aVOpH60DErbdu9FFuZgW/Ob1D0aMirl87s+5QI+pzuro3dSBaw0D4UCUmTNRDNCsioTE+zsJiKnWPLBBLgmRuJq0LbtJQea2Uc1Xxc1TZ8wN37b7BPXSl4yZRkpyOIpCi0IUyB5pFW5O+cxDPZkG96mBewRQWu1fhwVcN7+TyniMtv++DPbmblsEjgXMFrfxkiIZBTIVvHx7hfWcnPcG13xOrPCa+4Y/DpI76rqypBth/Txq/PfRtxHHV2JmHi+10ViVGqs0wHvmdGcyQzteu5NXAlruJO0RkwH2ObxjsxDLLl35a7Wfa96M+fMXmuoSyQHjrehCfzEUDOJUA== Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2015 12:46:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2015 12:46:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2015 12:46:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 387317.4508.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TzxDFmkVM1kNAPYdnizW_imtNUnz4R7oUyKGCyDqWhZQ4MC Okm2J4clTOpkEQafD9x0w7q2cYiHC1QN57zjvo7Pbwp4Mpr1Jh.82gtGA4Wh gD.2lPnamS3iWEGSbiUEHhdj8kmDyQS3JUuLmOZgggmbSoe_OUupqtl21q9L l.r7FPjeOlrncQA.mTndk.4Dyd8GYsL9SfI0rQ1cakAiMofJ5Rx4ucp2ucLt jqODPoiiMetJ5HWwh5mNoUbFNPj9qYo99WrdHgXwbeByot3m4qT.YZnhj4wZ lt8eg2aLBwc_Xw8jp0PBae2j7wwtjwDksGyL5RRgOF0h.pIVprWv7UOk8Thz hLplh1FsqRkT2IRD7FACPWuaJKAhR_8m3qLsLUwz5jOozMtOlLcxv_hGSq2D f51EJ1tVgHRF65K3bQ0ocnjBk.m0NYTwe_vzE9VaSf0wR5U14r6iXebTdsRL _gjSY2O_57n9Ts.MBOMGXHBBO7lopTqQcLQ9I01H_Vfa5u0bb_QcTwEU4aFg oMsHY5H39_CLvFAy0NFPFA2.OJobN4zYwDQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: sltvjZWswBCRD.ElTuB1l9j6s9wRYPpuyTNWOE5oEg-- Message-ID: <54F8503F.9090600@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:46:55 -0500 From: David Collier-Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Morton , Dave Taht References: <54F60F7B.4040405@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: bloat , davecb@spamcop.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Bulk] Re: Motivating commercial entities? tell the sales manager X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 12:47:29 -0000 There is an advantage for members of the Alliance to step out ahead of the pack, especially if they build components used in both portables and base stations, and then a lesser advantage that they still interoperate with less advanced systems. A group like the Alliance would be more interested in having the technology implemented the same way for everyone, so as not to fragment the business and reduce everyone's profits. If either of those motivations provides a way in, then so much the better. If the Alliance does a technical conference, a presentation on how wired performance was improved might be interesting to their members. --dave On 03/03/2015 04:20 PM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > It strikes me that the Wi-Fi Alliance might be able to help with the > marketing side of deployment once we solve the Wi-Fi specific > problems. They have a certification process which, at least in theory, > could help ensure that implementations actually work as advertised in > practice. > > The trick of course is that membership with them is expensive and you > need to show a genuine business interest, rather than a technical one. > Maybe there's a back route for bringing technical things to their > attention. > > If so, and if we can find it, we might start seeing "Responsive > Wi-Fi™" on boxes next year. > > - Jonathan Morton > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain