From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from g4t3425.houston.hp.com (g4t3425.houston.hp.com [15.201.208.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.hp.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G3" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A0221F1CE for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g5t1633.atlanta.hp.com (g5t1633.atlanta.hp.com [16.201.144.132]) by g4t3425.houston.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E443A9 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [16.103.148.51] (tardy.usa.hp.com [16.103.148.51]) by g5t1633.atlanta.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE6F62 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <553FAFCF.90106@hp.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:05:35 -0700 From: Rick Jones User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <72DB0260-F0DF-426F-A3F3-ECF5D8AF228F@pnsol.com> <766042D4-0C90-4C77-9033-07B8E436C35B@pnsol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Detecting bufferbloat from outside a node X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:06:34 -0000 On 04/28/2015 12:17 AM, Neil Davies wrote: > Jonathan > > The timestamps don't change very quickly - dozens (or more) of packets > can have the same timestamp, so it doesn't give you the appropriate > discrimination power. Timed observations at key points gives you all you > need (actually, appropriately gathered they give you all you can > possibly know - by observation) So probably a silly question, but can't you just consider the first time you see a timestamp going in the one direction and then the first time you see that timestamp coming back? rick jones