Hi Chaps, Further to Dave's recent request for 'tc -s qdisc' stats looking at drops vs ecn marks, please could someone take a look at these and explain to this idiot quite what is going on? This is a particularly slow & ratty ADSL line providing my parents internet 'service'. Before I got hold of it with OpenWrt CC trunk + cake jammed in it, 6 seconds of bufferbloat was not uncommon. I'm using the default sqm scripts that arrive with the 'ceropackages' repo (used as a source of patched iproute2, cake, etc) In essence 2 questions: 1) Why no ECN marks, only drops? 2) What falls into diffserv class 0 (alias, why has nothing used it?) Your time, patience etc is greatly appreciated. Kevin root@Router:~# tc -s qdisc show dev pppoa-wan qdisc cake 803a: root refcnt 2 bandwidth 256Kbit diffserv4 flows Sent 1928303 bytes 12121 pkt (dropped 73, overlimits 6915 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 Class 0 Class 1 Class 2 Class 3 rate 256Kbit 240Kbit 192Kbit 64Kbit target 70.5ms 75.2ms 94.0ms 282.0ms interval 564.0ms 601.6ms 752.0ms 2.3s Pk delay 0us 91.4ms 17.5ms 3.2ms Av delay 0us 2.9ms 2.9ms 53us Sp delay 0us 5us 136us 7us pkts 0 11754 408 32 way inds 0 0 0 0 way miss 0 347 404 5 way cols 0 0 0 0 bytes 0 1973100 28163 6537 drops 0 73 0 0 marks 0 0 0 0 qdisc ingress ffff: parent ffff:fff1 ---------------- Sent 8221609 bytes 11969 pkt (dropped 6, overlimits 0 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 root@Router:~# tc -s qdisc show dev ifb4pppoa-wan qdisc cake 803b: root refcnt 2 bandwidth 1512Kbit besteffort flows Sent 7597496 bytes 11494 pkt (dropped 482, overlimits 10487 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 Class 0 rate 1512Kbit target 12.0ms interval 112.0ms Pk delay 3.3ms Av delay 289us Sp delay 5us pkts 11976 way inds 0 way miss 769 way cols 0 bytes 8270163 drops 482 marks 0