From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3on0075.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.55.234.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1175521F2EF for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk; Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] (2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c) by DB5PR07MB0936.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.200.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.166.22; Fri, 22 May 2015 10:57:25 +0000 Message-ID: <555F0B8F.7010108@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:57:19 +0100 From: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <3BDE8792-3B33-4DD6-B662-C18B2CECD183@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3BDE8792-3B33-4DD6-B662-C18B2CECD183@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000605040102060007050209" X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] X-ClientProxiedBy: AM3PR03CA018.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.191.146) To DB5PR07MB0936.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.200.143) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DB5PR07MB0936; X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(520002)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:DB5PR07MB0936; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DB5PR07MB0936; X-Forefront-PRVS: 058441C12A X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(51704005)(189002)(199003)(54094003)(164054003)(24454002)(479174004)(81156007)(84326002)(87976001)(5890100001)(50986999)(450100001)(68736005)(40100003)(4001540100001)(65816999)(86362001)(101416001)(65806001)(65956001)(62966003)(74482002)(105586002)(2950100001)(92566002)(4001350100001)(64126003)(1720100001)(15975445007)(97736004)(46102003)(106356001)(64706001)(33656002)(54356999)(189998001)(110136002)(5001830100001)(5001960100002)(5001860100001)(107886002)(42186005)(59896002)(2351001)(512874002)(19617315012)(80316001)(19580395003)(83506001)(76176999)(19625735002)(87266999)(77156002)(19580405001)(122386002)(36756003)(568964001)(3826002)(5001840100002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:DB5PR07MB0936; H:[IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c]; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: None (protection.outlook.com: darbyshire-bryant.me.uk does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-OriginatorOrg: darbyshire-bryant.me.uk X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2015 10:57:25.3659 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5PR07MB0936 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] dslreports and inbound rate shaping X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 10:57:59 -0000 --------------ms000605040102060007050209 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040303050607090201050103" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040303050607090201050103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21/05/2015 17:21, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 19 May, 2015, at 22:17, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> So I finished writing up my thoughts on bobbie, >> http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Bobbie >> >> which might work better than anything on the table in the face of huge= >> bursts like these, when the rate differential is so small. > I wonder if there=E2=80=99s any profit in making fq_codel and cake beha= ve more like a policer on ingress; that would be halfway to bobbie withou= t writing a lot of new code. > > A reasonable test would be to try configuring fq_codel with interval =3D= target =3D 5ms. If that works better, I could add similar functionality= to cake. > > - Jonathan Morton > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat Up for a challenge I tried it. Line rate is 40000 down, 10000 up - Sky b= roadband UK VDSL2 PTM (manual overhead of 8 for VLAN tagging on WAN & VDS= L2 flags) note that I also use ECN everywhere. From the dslreports site, with a ne= w layout I note - nice! Numbers at end of each line are reported latency for idle (minimum), up (average), down (average) in ms. Baseline: fq_codel 37500 9700 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6382 - 109 114 112 fq_codel 37500 9700 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6367 - 106 119 111 fq_codel 38500 9700 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6318 - 106 120 110 standing q but managed slightly better than.... fq_codel 38500 9700 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6305 - 116 142 118 standing q fq_codel 39000 9700 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6335 - 110 153 113 spikey spaced fq_codel 39000 9700 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6308 - 109 194 112 spikey closer fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6347 - 116 191 118 spikey fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/52= 6353 - 109 172 112 spikey I don't think tweaking intervals has given the hoped for result in my cas= e. If anything It looks like it increases standing latency though some o= f graph scaling makes that difficult to see. The final test looks like it's head= ing in a better direction but it still has 420+ms spikes. --=20 Thanks, Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk --------------040303050607090201050103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 21/05/2015 17:21, Jonathan Morton wrote:

      

        
On 19 May, 2015, at 22:17, Dave Taht <dave.taht@g=
mail.com> wrote:

So I finished writing up my thoughts on bobbie,
http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/B=
obbie

which might work better than anything on the table in the face of huge
bursts like these, when the rate differential is so small.


      

      
I wonder if there=E2=80=99s any profit in making fq_codel and cake behave=
 more like a policer on ingress; that would be halfway to bobbie without =
writing a lot of new code.

A reasonable test would be to try configuring fq_codel with interval =3D =
target =3D 5ms.  If that works better, I could add similar functionality =
to cake.

- Jonathan Morton

_______________________________________________
Bloat mailing list
Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat


    

    

    Up for a challenge I tried it.=C2=A0 Line rate is 40000 down, 10000 u=
p -
    Sky broadband UK VDSL2 PTM (manual overhead of 8 for VLAN tagging on
    WAN & VDSL2 flags)

    note that I also use ECN everywhere.=C2=A0 From the dslreports site, =
with
    a new layout I note - nice!=C2=A0 Numbers at end of each line are
=

    reported latency for idle (minimum), up (average), down (average) in
    ms.

    

      Baseline:

      fq_codel 37500 9700 interval 100ms
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526382 - 109 =
114 112

      fq_codel 37500 9700 interval 5ms=C2=A0=C2=A0
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526367 - 106 =
119 111

      

      

      fq_codel 38500 9700 interval 100ms
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526318 - 106 =
120 110 standing
      q but managed slightly better than....

      fq_codel 38500 9700 interval 5ms=C2=A0=C2=A0
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526305 - 116 =
142 118 standing
      q

      

      

      fq_codel 39000 9700 interval 100ms
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526335 - 110 =
153 113 spikey
      spaced

      fq_codel 39000 9700 interval 5ms=C2=A0=C2=A0
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526308 - 109 =
194 112 spikey
      closer

      

      

      fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 100ms
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526347 - 116 =
191 118 spikey 

      fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 5ms=C2=A0=C2=A0
      http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/526353 - 109 =
172 112 spikey

      

    I don't think tweaking intervals has given the hoped for
    result in my case.=C2=A0 If anything It looks like it increases stand=
ing
    latency though some of graph

    scaling makes that difficult to see.=C2=A0 The final test looks like =
it's
    heading in a better direction but it still has 420+ms spikes.

    

    

    
--=20
Thanks,

Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk


  


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