From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1on0081.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.112.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4939F21F2E7 for ; Fri, 22 May 2015 04:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk; Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] (2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c) by HE1PR07MB0937.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.162.27.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.166.22; Fri, 22 May 2015 11:16:50 +0000 Message-ID: <555F1016.10309@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:16:38 +0100 From: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Morton References: <3BDE8792-3B33-4DD6-B662-C18B2CECD183@gmail.com> <555F0B8F.7010108@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040502040205040405040903" X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] X-ClientProxiedBy: BN3PR0301CA0034.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (25.160.180.172) To HE1PR07MB0937.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.162.27.143) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:HE1PR07MB0937; X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(520002)(3002001); SRVR:HE1PR07MB0937; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:HE1PR07MB0937; X-Forefront-PRVS: 058441C12A X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(479174004)(164054003)(199003)(24454002)(51704005)(189002)(36756003)(42186005)(68736005)(81156007)(77156002)(33656002)(92566002)(65816999)(83506001)(512874002)(5890100001)(5000100001)(2950100001)(15975445007)(87976001)(4001540100001)(4001350100001)(97736004)(40100003)(62966003)(54356999)(189998001)(86362001)(101416001)(65806001)(84326002)(65956001)(5001960100002)(110136002)(106356001)(19580395003)(19580405001)(1411001)(64126003)(5001920100001)(74482002)(568964001)(122386002)(1720100001)(64706001)(50986999)(76176999)(5001860100001)(93886004)(46102003)(105586002)(5001830100001)(3826002)(5001840100002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:HE1PR07MB0937; H:[IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c]; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Received-SPF: None (protection.outlook.com: darbyshire-bryant.me.uk does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-OriginatorOrg: darbyshire-bryant.me.uk X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2015 11:16:50.5275 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR07MB0937 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] dslreports and inbound rate shaping X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:17:25 -0000 --------------ms040502040205040405040903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/05/2015 12:07, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest= /526347 - 116 191 118 spikey=20 >> fq_codel 40000 9700 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest= /526353 - 109 172 112 spikey > On a 40Mbit downlink, setting ingress to 40Mbit will exert effectively = no control over incoming traffic. So what you=E2=80=99re seeing here is = the raw performance of your ISP. > > I=E2=80=99d really like to see Dave trying this, since he was noting th= e problem to solve originally. > > - Jonathan Morton > I followed it up with an outright lie to the limiter (and in interests of= full disclosure I changed the outbound limit to be more conservative) fq_codel 80000! 9500 interval 100ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5= 26549 109 139 115 fq_codel 80000! 9500 interval 5ms http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/5= 26556 111 183 115 - more & higher spikes I'll keep quiet now and hopefully watch other's results come in! --=20 Thanks, Kevin@Darbyshire-Bryant.me.uk --------------ms040502040205040405040903 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIINnDCC 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