Hi Chaps, I was speaking with Andrews & Arnold (a UK clueful ISP) about their experiences with bufferbloat and was sent this graph: https://support.aa.net.uk/VMG1312:_QoS I was surprised at how such a simple 'priority by packet size' scheme appears to work. Clearly there's slightly more going on in that the box in question *knows* the outbound bandwidth and doesn't let a standing queue form...but priority by packet size? Hmm. Kevin