From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3on0075.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.55.234.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8549421F626 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VI1PR07MB0942.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.110.147) by VI1PR07MB0975.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.110.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.184.17; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 17:44:11 +0000 Authentication-Results: lists.bufferbloat.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] (2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c) by VI1PR07MB0942.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.110.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.184.17; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 17:44:09 +0000 Message-ID: <5571DFE2.90506@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 18:44:02 +0100 From: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Kennard , Dave Taht References: <7D4DDC3F-9233-4E07-B59B-AA1368CA9D4E@gmail.com> <5571B334.7050607@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <5571DA4E.5060809@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> <5571DC01.70301@k.gg> In-Reply-To: <5571DC01.70301@k.gg> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010706050206070708030608" X-Originating-IP: [2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c] X-ClientProxiedBy: HE1PR02CA0016.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (25.162.33.26) To VI1PR07MB0942.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (25.161.110.147) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:VI1PR07MB0942; UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:VI1PR07MB0975; X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(520003)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:VI1PR07MB0942; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:VI1PR07MB0942; X-Forefront-PRVS: 05986C03E0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(24454002)(479174004)(50986999)(5001960100002)(4001350100001)(231993002)(65816999)(77156002)(62966003)(189998001)(65806001)(122386002)(64126003)(93886004)(5000100001)(54356999)(568964001)(36756003)(76176999)(42186005)(84326002)(40100003)(5890100001)(5001770100001)(87976001)(83506001)(65956001)(512874002)(74482002)(2950100001)(86362001)(46102003)(92566002)(33656002)(781001)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:VI1PR07MB0942; H:[IPv6:2001:470:183f:da2b::717c:e11c]; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2015 17:44:09.5638 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB0942 X-OriginatorOrg: darbyshire-bryant.me.uk Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bloat goes away, but with ~25% speed loss? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:44:44 -0000 --------------ms010706050206070708030608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/06/2015 18:27, Adrian Kennard wrote: > On 05/06/2015 18:23, Dave Taht wrote: >>>> in their "rate limiters", and had experimented also with fq_codel by= now. > Oh, I meant to say, the policers used on broadband links have a very > very simple logic of small packets (<1000) are allowed more predicted > lag, and so VoIP "just works" as does DNS, interactive key presses, TCP= > ACK packets and all sorts of time critical stuff. Blimey, the world's a small place, the Internet doubly so! 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