From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay116.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay116.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.143]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4A421F304 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:22:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=Ax9Kd9og7W2htzcJF9odWb+87PP6pPoG1t8Q07ebhfo= c=1 sm=2 a=p-Fh0BJKayhyu-NfRpMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2DWCgDds7lV/6Re9FFbgxqyQIsYhSaCUAQCAoFcOhMBAQEBAQEBgQqEJAEBBFYGHAEQCwsDCgkWDwkDAgECAREWHgYBDAEHAQGIFAEZAbsajhAKGYELhFgBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBARuLToQ8SweELAEEhxWGX4cCjEiBRocRjH2DZCaDfzyCfQEBAQ Received: from 164.94-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO zotac.xperim.be) ([81.244.94.164]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2015 07:22:01 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.172] (mordor.xperim.be [192.168.1.172]) by zotac.xperim.be (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2ubuntu2.1) with ESMTP id t6U5HlCZ027314; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:17:48 +0200 Message-ID: <55B9B37B.9050506@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:17:47 +0200 From: Jan Ceuleers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikael Abrahamsson , David Lang References: <55B92BF3.2000607@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Speed tests - attribution of latency to relevant network hops X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:22:32 -0000 On 30/07/15 06:52, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, David Lang wrote: > >> unless you measure it per hop, how are you going to attribute it to >> each hop? and unless you have a server at that layer to talk to, how >> do you know what the latency or bandwidth is? > > Measuring latency is doable (using the same mechanism that traceroute > with for instance max-ttl 5), but I don't know how much of this is > available to your web application? > > If you sent 5 packets with TTL 1-5 and measured the time to get back the > ttl-expired-in-transit ICMP, you could get an indication where the > latency increase was happening. Yes, that's what I had in mind.