From: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
To: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
Cc: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:40:30 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_JP8UKKk0mYLmREcNyRF809ifJM36NR3gd7iYyXcW7CP_rzQ@mail.gmail.com>
> All of the states use cases are already handled by inexpensive
lorawan
> sensors and are already covered by multiple lorawan networks in NYC
> and most urban centers in the US. There is no need for a new
> infrastructure, it’s already there. Not to mention NBIoT/catm
> radios.
>
> This is all just general cheapness and lack of liability keeping these
> out of widespread deployment. It’s not lack of tech on the market
> today.
What is the footprint of lorawan networks and what's the velocity of
growth? What's the cost per square foot both capex and operations,
maintaining & monitoring lorawan? What's that compared to the WiFi
install base, i.e. now we have train even installers and maintainers on
purpose built technology vs just use what most people know because it's
common? This all looks like ethernet, token ring, fddi, netbios, decnet,
etc. where the single approach of IP over WiFi/ethernet with fiber
fronthaul wave guides and backhauls' waveguides per the ISP seems the
effective way forward. I don't think it's in society's interest to have
so disparate networks technologies as we have learned from IP and the
internet. My guess is lorawan will never get built out across the planet
as has been done for IP. I can tell that every country is adopting IP
because they're using a free IP tool to measure their networks.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf2/files/stats/map?dates=2014-02-06%20to%202023-03-18&period=daily
Bob
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2023-01-09 15:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [Bloat] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18 ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 0:11 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15 5:20 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon [this message]
2023-03-19 10:26 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [Bloat] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [Bloat] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [Bloat] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:31 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 12:53 ` Rich Brown
2023-03-21 15:22 ` Jan Ceuleers
2023-03-21 18:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:22 ` dan
2023-03-21 19:04 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23 ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 0:07 ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26 0:50 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 8:45 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 0:28 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:57 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34 ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 21:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 21:26 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 17:06 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Larry Press
2023-03-28 17:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 18:11 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-28 18:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 20:37 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 21:31 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 22:18 ` dan
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2023-03-29 8:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-29 13:40 ` [Bloat] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
2023-03-29 14:54 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-29 16:53 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-29 18:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:13 ` [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-29 17:34 ` dan
2023-03-29 20:03 ` David Lang
2023-03-29 17:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2023-03-29 19:02 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:08 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:31 ` tom
2023-03-29 19:11 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-29 13:46 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27 ` dan
2023-03-14 9:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02 ` [Bloat] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:04 ` [Bloat] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:22 ` [Bloat] Offtopic: passive ping. was: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-13 18:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:48 ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-01-09 20:49 ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 20:20 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Dick Roy
2023-01-10 17:36 ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David P. Reed
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