From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20251104 header.b=bwq5MK3w; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmail.com policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mail-qv2-x10.google.com (mail-qv2-x10.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:33::10]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BF63168DD7A for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2026 14:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qv2-x10.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-91059280d58so6087156d6.1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2026 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20251104; t=1789733490; x=1790338290; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to :content-type; bh=Ey7cbfHQHfRT/QZHFuC/MHnjnKJ4Ki2cK4U9npr0jCI=; b=bwq5MK3wevU/p1jgu+22Aw+nM6er5K6QBRsWDIAuUX+altyx5iR1brlIqYftRohILc h1GZ5UUE+vHtvpnCSPdh76O+RwYimDJSCLYfU0DbXX6F/XHIWOjXJCesinj9U8P6bH+v fDGJD5l0iB8fW0HGwwD05ee2b12D7xA5EH+oDE51ylcfZBsjET+c6fif9DeBQJGjtxoU LCu1x7ZSL/5UMmAXoyfNP8KeFS+q1j8cOZSZwAACpgnFsVmtMXoHkbrfGIEUHJVM3PPr RJWzIl6KRFy7kiO9GBPNE2FKrw1vOh2pux3iyiAPDTAhRyqywzNzM10CqZPyFs8vR6LO xAnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20260707; t=1789733490; x=1790338290; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to:content-type; bh=Ey7cbfHQHfRT/QZHFuC/MHnjnKJ4Ki2cK4U9npr0jCI=; b=QvIdX8+Vty5QycKXv6qwkMprAcf89oAGerCVAYFzdWqg2ZC9UcZDKQtjLwixejupEp LF8UFucrVmychoIb+12vVLCDuqO6dexnfamwtSfDd1m78AYUMwKBSNRCO1QaE+n8jlHR F4SxrSUy0uOD/GPBI7m6lsbaadta2cVISXOt6PDOLYLTii8sqAa2d6NNIjscLLjAeWm8 ieIoosIFZsyIZV8HJgwQk8Bz2THMC3ocPzTUhSGgBxjdSQUBKnGjD9geioR/J8QepF7w FcdTaN6Znw6mFB5dWSSs7V2My96yvtVb8eQaAe6GQEibOfXYUIqJnOW/DA5XlpRRkEoV +OOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFuF++lmyg4czHk4DEVNL3/Oc7r7PZIodEGnghYEBwNAEdOTSjbh9JhI hxOkLUkyvUPKzy43zVVuFeCtt0PqUR63KFfuwSe0O4Mo10QGsnrFuzUiX8oPtEp2 X-Gm-Gg: AYBFou2+2Y/JZBV0OEB+9QcXR9By//QbZdiYNAahy7uyTBRkcy3yF3uCKa/hcb2nylX 3NYc5SNQorOfnb3WbGe6qHOA+IYoFLQzcDSUiEBQFpvYl8leqzukIJuqA5sb23mM7HHxABM01gX UL1HYCVTL8bDFzlxsfc4bXPDl+zaBxI94Mfp1F9tzlNh9BZXUV04c11XpiIXrZAaaolM8n5tZsD i+a5tMayJ1G804TiTJQ7OUXBkxo3EgdtIAC9OGo6Ywog+6yPQ20mCcCytm2ZObkMbC3I/43TYNZ RdY2Hevcj8GphRNxmD8WiClzBi+Zf+LvpyO0rV8xXSh85W7oiZUDr4SRQByFkvli60z/Pr61XVU XJp8hqWabRjmp8sDuqpisejkLMfy74LQcjdVIn/Bdypbq333mPY4ALIknrSU52iZxwuEKuusUaj R4KWwmRY0BDQ6kh325dpBs6Z5G3jUgKFt2qy36Nwr/xDE7pj4q4yOZjBAKYa4FkD5AuikJsym+v DHoSeKyvJlXr5Z70wHs1FPp/3XPI64xnYbowS8PwichqT/PsdbINw8rgqS75VNeep+DOQfcI+zp n08APqdQ1MCR19b/9Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:53ca:b0:912:517b:7bc7 with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-91254c03e07mr35747256d6.38.1789733490290; Fri, 18 Sep 2026 05:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (cg-23-147-188-131.lymeaccess.net. [23.147.188.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-9125800f9b2sm11094056d6.9.2026.09.18.05.11.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Sep 2026 05:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3864.700.51.1.1\)) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 08:11:18 -0400 References: <178969057349.1938.14005152589460246388@gauss> To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <178969057349.1938.14005152589460246388@gauss> Message-Id: <571D6921-B222-4ECF-B1F9-71184074C5DA@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3864.700.51.1.1) Message-ID-Hash: R6JZT3XBSKNQCK45CHUDHMY6ALO3RRMW X-Message-ID-Hash: R6JZT3XBSKNQCK45CHUDHMY6ALO3RRMW X-MailFrom: richb.hanover@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Bloat] Re: The hell has frozen: Latency mentioned at APNIC 62, during a keynote! List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: We came up with a more accurate, but wordy declaration: > "The most important performance metric where > systems fall short today is not bandwidth, or compute. It is latency." To make a more punchy statement, s/scarce resource/bottleneck/ to get... > "The bottleneck is not bandwidth, or compute. It is latency." Thoughts?