[Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant]

Greetings All,

May this message find you in acceptable health and reasonable humour :-)

Possibly/probably as a result of CAKE getting into LEDE I note a few 
people saying 'bufferbloat.net' is down.  This is unfortunate just at a 
time when a hoped for uptick in interest factor may well be upon us.  
Interest has been expressed in 
http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake

I know it's not just a case of firing up a VM 'cos the actual engine was 
running out of date software and had accumulated a fair amount of cruft.

In the shorter term, to satisfy some sort of interest, would it be 
possible to point at an archive of the site?  I know not how this could 
be done.

Cheers,

Kevin

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> writes:

> Possibly/probably as a result of CAKE getting into LEDE I note a few people
> saying 'bufferbloat.net' is down.  This is unfortunate just at a time when a
> hoped for uptick in interest factor may well be upon us.  Interest has been
> expressed in http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake

I'm working on converting the old wiki and issue pages to a static site.
Got some of the way, but a bit more to be done. Will take another stab
at it over the weekend.

> In the shorter term, to satisfy some sort of interest, would it be possible to
> point at an archive of the site?  I know not how this could be done.

The Wayback Machine is your friend:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160328150326/http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant]

On 10/06/16 10:02, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> writes:
>
>> Possibly/probably as a result of CAKE getting into LEDE I note a few people
>> saying 'bufferbloat.net' is down.  This is unfortunate just at a time when a
>> hoped for uptick in interest factor may well be upon us.  Interest has been
>> expressed in http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake
> I'm working on converting the old wiki and issue pages to a static site.
> Got some of the way, but a bit more to be done. Will take another stab
> at it over the weekend.
Thank you Toke.  Much appreciated.
>
>> In the shorter term, to satisfy some sort of interest, would it be possible to
>> point at an archive of the site?  I know not how this could be done.
> The Wayback Machine is your friend:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160328150326/http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake
>
> -Toke
Indeed.

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Rich Brown]

Toke,

Thanks for taking on the revival of the bufferbloat site. 

As a stopgap, I wonder if it might be possible to put up a placeholder page that links to Wayback Machine pages. Something like... http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site/ (I have thrown $50 toward the archive.org folks...) It would be easy to redirect the www.bufferbloat.net URL to this site.

As a secondary step, we might consider using github.io pages with Jekyll. I just converted another static site to Jekyll with astonishing ease. It's now editable with Markdown on github. 

If you have the text of those pages in some sensible directory structure, I bet it would be trivial to make a Jekyll site.

Let me know if this helps.

Rich

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 7:57 AM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:
> 
> The Wayback Machine is your friend:
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160328150326/http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toke,
>
> Thanks for taking on the revival of the bufferbloat site.

While I am delighted by progress here, given a choice between landing
more fixes to wifi and fixing the site, I'd rather we keep building on
the momentum for fixing wifi. With a core bit landing in net-next
soon, I hope, and airtime fairness well on it's way, the possibility
exists to get kernel 4.8 or 4.9 truly being a vast improvement on wifi
for multiple devices building on the finicy bits of that
infrastructure.

that said toke seems to be achieving $DIETY-like results across many areas.

> As a stopgap, I wonder if it might be possible to put up a placeholder page that links to Wayback Machine pages. Something like... http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site/ (I have thrown $50 toward the archive.org folks...) It would be easy to redirect the www.bufferbloat.net URL to this site.

archive.org has an automagic 404 converter, if that helps.

https://blog.archive.org/2013/10/24/web-archive-404-handler-for-webmasters/

>
> As a secondary step, we might consider using github.io pages with Jekyll. I just converted another static site to Jekyll with astonishing ease. It's now editable with Markdown on github.

Hugo vastly outperforms jekyll, has a jekyll converter, and I'd prefer
to stick with hugo.

In the long run I would like to also resurrect your work on converting
lartc.org.

>
> If you have the text of those pages in some sensible directory structure, I bet it would be trivial to make a Jekyll site.

Yes, I'd like the directory structure to more or less match what the urls were.


>
> Let me know if this helps.
>
> Rich
>
>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 7:57 AM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net wrote:
>>
>> The Wayback Machine is your friend:
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160328150326/http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Rich Brown]

Hi Dave,

I'm worried that the bufferbloat project appears MIA right now.

It won't take much time to get that github page (http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:

- You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
- Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the 'bufferbloat.net' A record
- I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site

One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on the air.

Longer term, I don't have a preference about the web publishing system: I just want us to appear alive. Thanks.

Rich

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant]

On 10/06/16 17:19, Rich Brown wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm worried that the bufferbloat project appears MIA right now.
Absolutely.  And the sqm-scripts also mention going to bufferbloat.net, 
so hitting a 404 is underwhelming, especially as LEDE users have no 
'CAKE' man pages to which to refer.
>
> It won't take much time to get that github page (http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:
>
> - You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
> - Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the 'bufferbloat.net' A record
> - I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site
>
> One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on the air.
>
> Longer term, I don't have a preference about the web publishing system: I just want us to appear alive. Thanks.
Agree 100%
>
> Rich
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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Outback Dingo]

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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm worried that the bufferbloat project appears MIA right now.
>
> It won't take much time to get that github page (
> http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as
> www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:
>
> - You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to
> 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
> - Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the '
> bufferbloat.net' A record
> - I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github
> repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site
>
> One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on
> the air.
>
> Longer term, I don't have a preference about the web publishing system: I
> just want us to appear alive. Thanks.
>

Is it that bufferbloat.net requires a permanent home ?? I can provide a
decent sized vm and dns at 0 cost for hosting the site
on my servers......



>
> Rich
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> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>

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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I'm worried that the bufferbloat project appears MIA right now.
>>
>> It won't take much time to get that github page
>> (http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as
>> www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:
>>
>> - You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to
>> 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
>> - Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the
>> 'bufferbloat.net' A record
>> - I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github
>> repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site
>>
>> One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on
>> the air.

OK, tomorrow (or tonight) I will look into the redirect rich suggests.
I note several other folk do have access to the dns server and if they
beat me to it I won't mind at all....

Toke has a preliminary conversion done but it lacks fixing the paths
and bug issues as well (archive.org is also missing the issues db).

https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive/wiki/

>> Longer term, I don't have a preference about the web publishing system: I
>> just want us to appear alive. Thanks.

I am only alive for small values of alive. I am glad "us" is still
alive and kicking.

>
> Is it that bufferbloat.net requires a permanent home ?? I can provide a
> decent sized vm and dns at 0 cost for hosting the site
> on my servers......

Well, if I had any advanced plan, it was to convert to a static, git
managed, hugo repo, and start using a CDN of some sort directly. I
have plenty of linodes lying around, but if we could get worldwide
distribution for a (cdns seem to charge for data transfer rather than
storage), without even having a central site, that would be nice.

Secondarily I'd really like to transfer all the fixed assets I
maintain and pay for to some independent set of individuals or an
institution (nlnet's upcoming "commons conservancy" is the strongest
possibility - https://nlnet.nl/project/commonsconservancy/ for some
details) - or adopt something like lede's "3 man rule" for access to
all assets.

>
>
>>
>>
>> Rich
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Steinar H. Gunderson]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:05:29AM -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> Secondarily I'd really like to transfer all the fixed assets I
> maintain and pay for to some independent set of individuals or an
> institution (nlnet's upcoming "commons conservancy" is the strongest
> possibility - https://nlnet.nl/project/commonsconservancy/ for some
> details) - or adopt something like lede's "3 man rule" for access to
> all assets.

Try talking to SPI (Software in the Public Interest)?

/* Steinar */
-- 
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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Rich Brown]

OK. Let me know when the DNS has been updated, and I will put in the CNAME file.  Thanks!

Rich

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> It won't take much time to get that github page
>>> (http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as
>>> www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:
>>> 
>>> - You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to
>>> 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
>>> - Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the
>>> 'bufferbloat.net' A record
>>> - I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github
>>> repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site
>>> 
>>> One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on
>>> the air.
> 
> OK, tomorrow (or tonight) I will look into the redirect rich suggests.
> I note several other folk do have access to the dns server and if they
> beat me to it I won't mind at all....

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> I'm worried that the bufferbloat project appears MIA right now.
>>>
>>> It won't take much time to get that github page
>>> (http://richb-hanover.github.io/bufferbloat-site) running as
>>> www.bufferbloat.net. To do this:
>>>
>>> - You would have to set up A records for bufferbloat.net to point to
>>> 192.30.252.153 and 192.30.252.154
>>> - Wildcard address (for www.bufferbloat.net) should CNAME to the
>>> 'bufferbloat.net' A record
>>> - I would add a file (named 'CNAME') to the gh-pages branch of the github
>>> repo at https://github.com/richb-hanover/bufferbloat-site
>>>
>>> One DNS TTL later, we should have a bufferbloat.net web presence back on
>>> the air.
>
> OK, tomorrow (or tonight) I will look into the redirect rich suggests.
> I note several other folk do have access to the dns server and if they
> beat me to it I won't mind at all....
>
> Toke has a preliminary conversion done but it lacks fixing the paths
> and bug issues as well (archive.org is also missing the issues db).
>
> https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive/wiki/
>
>>> Longer term, I don't have a preference about the web publishing system: I
>>> just want us to appear alive. Thanks.
>
> I am only alive for small values of alive. I am glad "us" is still
> alive and kicking.
>
>>
>> Is it that bufferbloat.net requires a permanent home ?? I can provide a
>> decent sized vm and dns at 0 cost for hosting the site
>> on my servers......
>
> Well, if I had any advanced plan, it was to convert to a static, git
> managed, hugo repo, and start using a CDN of some sort directly. I
> have plenty of linodes lying around, but if we could get worldwide
> distribution for a (cdns seem to charge for data transfer rather than
> storage), without even having a central site, that would be nice.

For example, cloudfront has "50 GB Data Transfer Out, 2,000,000 HTTP
and HTTPS Requests", for free for a year.

https://aws.amazon.com/free/

I sincerely doubt www.bufferbloat.net would do more than that.

I haven't looked into other CDNs and haven't the foggiest idea how to
set one up in the first place.

Presently I have going out $150/mo in linodes (mostly flent servers, 2
being used for web pages), $250/mo in the google cloud for openwrt's
build bot, probably $500/mo for lede's build bot...

and $190/mo coming in. I do hope to find more funding for lede's
stuff... (or get out of it after they've been better bootstrapped)

> Secondarily I'd really like to transfer all the fixed assets I
> maintain and pay for to some independent set of individuals or an
> institution (nlnet's upcoming "commons conservancy" is the strongest
> possibility - https://nlnet.nl/project/commonsconservancy/ for some
> details) - or adopt something like lede's "3 man rule" for access to
> all assets.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bloat mailing list
>>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!
> http://blog.cerowrt.org



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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks for taking on the revival of the bufferbloat site. 

Okay, updated the conversion to preserve the directory structure.
Current version is here: https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive. The
overview pages and index are somewhat lacking at the moment, but the
wiki pages are there at the same relative URLs as on the old site.

I can update the DNS to point at that server and have old links start
working again; if no one objects, I'll do that later today.

There's a github repo with the contents linked from the above link; pull
requests welcome if anyone wants to contribute to improving things :)

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Dave Taht]

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Thanks for taking on the revival of the bufferbloat site.
>
> Okay, updated the conversion to preserve the directory structure.
> Current version is here: https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive. The

I get a 404 on that right now across the board...

https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive/projects/codel/wiki/Benchmarking_Codel_and_FQ_Codel/


> overview pages and index are somewhat lacking at the moment, but the
> wiki pages are there at the same relative URLs as on the old site.

Having the original data available to those willing to work on fixing
it would be useful, I was reluctant to share the sql dump widely due
to passwords being in it. Can more of the sql dump land somewhere? Do
you have other conversion scripts lying around?

(I used pandoc to convert from textile to markdown originally plus a
few sed scripts)

> I can update the DNS to point at that server and have old links start
> working again; if no one objects, I'll do that later today.

Well, to save on cost and improve bandwidth I'd rather it moved to the
web server lists.bufferbloat.net is on. (and ultimately a cdn). I was
reluctant to move it there because the redmine integration was
failing, but for a static web site, no problem.

...

For now, feel free to slam yourself. :). I'd done a few things to
improve caching behavior on the blog.cerowrt.org apache
implementation, also.

> There's a github repo with the contents linked from the above link; pull
> requests welcome if anyone wants to contribute to improving things :)

I am personally slammed and delighted others are stepping up to take
care of this...

> -Toke
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Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes:

>> Okay, updated the conversion to preserve the directory structure.
>> Current version is here: https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive. The
>
> I get a 404 on that right now across the board...
>
> https://kau.toke.dk/bufferbloat-archive/projects/codel/wiki/Benchmarking_Codel_and_FQ_Codel/

Was moving things around and hadn't set up a redirect yet. Should work
now, and the server also answers to www.bufferbloat.net. I did an
nsupdate, but the linode nameservers don't seem to have picked it up
yet. Not sure how to poke them to do so.

>> overview pages and index are somewhat lacking at the moment, but the
>> wiki pages are there at the same relative URLs as on the old site.
>
> Having the original data available to those willing to work on fixing
> it would be useful, I was reluctant to share the sql dump widely due
> to passwords being in it. Can more of the sql dump land somewhere? Do
> you have other conversion scripts lying around?

This is all in the github repo in the export/ dir - both scripts and csv
files. Did another export from the database, merging several tables with
the information needed for the wiki. There's also an export of the
attachments which I haven't done anything with yet.

> (I used pandoc to convert from textile to markdown originally plus a
> few sed scripts)

Yes, mine are python scripts that also run pandoc.

>> I can update the DNS to point at that server and have old links start
>> working again; if no one objects, I'll do that later today.
>
> Well, to save on cost and improve bandwidth I'd rather it moved to the
> web server lists.bufferbloat.net is on. (and ultimately a cdn). I was
> reluctant to move it there because the redmine integration was
> failing, but for a static web site, no problem.

Have no objections to moving it once we hit something a bit more stable;
but for now, having it on my own server allows me to iterate quicker.
It's at my uni on a gbit link, so should be fine (famous last words).

Having several mirrors and sticking all the addresses in DNS would also
be a way to do things, if we can make sure they all update from git
regularly. Figure these things can be sorted out once we get the
conversion itself done and have it go into maintenance mode (where we
actually take pull requests for the *content*). :)

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> writes:

> I did an nsupdate, but the linode nameservers don't seem to have
> picked it up yet. Not sure how to poke them to do so.

Ah, they seem to be switching over now...

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] bufferbloat.net is sorely missed.

[Dave Taht]

for those of you that are not used to the wonderfulness of using hugo
to develop web content, it is amazing.

Install hugo from:  https://gohugo.io/

do a git clone of toke's repo.
cd into that dir.

hugo -D server

It currently on my hardware generates the entire site statically in
490ms (note that as best I recall we had 360 wiki pages not 188, btw),
and you can go and edit anything until you are satisified with it with
one editor and one web window open.

There is a great deal of curation that can be done (after it
stablizes), and also it can be easily checked for errors with tools
like html linkcheckers, etc.

It also loads tons faster than the redmine version.

d@dancer:~/git/bufferbloat-net$ hugo -D server
0 draft content
0 future content
188 pages created
0 non-page files copied
0 paginator pages created
0 tags created
0 categories created
in 490 ms
Watching for changes in /home/d/git/bufferbloat-net/{content,layouts,static}
Serving pages from memory
Web Server is available at http://localhost:1313/projects/


On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> writes:
>
>> I did an nsupdate, but the linode nameservers don't seem to have
>> picked it up yet. Not sure how to poke them to do so.
>
> Ah, they seem to be switching over now...
>
> -Toke



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