From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x242.google.com (mail-wm0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B22693B25E for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x242.google.com with SMTP id c82so340305wme.3 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:06:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XPGMRns8q3kEPoVS02yIs3gKTt+KRvWeuyk1bXhu4v0=; b=NVhPpw5Pvy2blAG57NUkTFABKJZ1IPsmir6To796D7nyf+nxkOZJLiajueWZPGwYOo 0gED8hFGsVUxYkMt8sKYM/goKWmnSXlAoItd/5mqBZuUXWS3wpGiC3qX7Ivu5akZrmpf ERGtGLSZv14tnijN6rYydhmmypvnLcdJvtDAyT0rbmVkGDkrxtzK5w/GTt7ySjH5ZWoZ 2crU89kWwGd/V4c3Tn5VUzgah414uWB/B5/LDFuy0g2SnW3MXRW6zFmj5/Ve/RwQzF8U 6US3pBRUmStDgd/HYHPEgqQrRktnsnn4TWQbGpzmTAXfFLjYOlM1EM8aErnNykxFr5pf GrAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XPGMRns8q3kEPoVS02yIs3gKTt+KRvWeuyk1bXhu4v0=; b=eUL/J9oz3Q8dA/RFujsHs6WLmJAzmziIkSmw4UqKJ6fIzBg3lYSW7dvfLjVr948nDn dzxQwCaqNKBaZpjnx0f7xCMMSMLwJOhKAdWGY2iY8O78WdFsuXYQTDJbJKTqCMHWr+Lg JE4OtAoeOdYLbWtX4e1BS0XgIncZtWC9/kPkUo8OTpTStTjvij9rxiojuzWDkiHkZuFz 6F9R1yvLxq8sZOnsDnYbjqsZeQPKziMw392T/yjkOAJ3+SxJ+xyVy3aM1HqhopV21Qly GhuQduwQR3Id5S5trWxHUtVcHO6YX3B9Iz6DFrrnR37eQw45ghVchcfXo6ThxdJ/k+KT Owtw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIOVh6St2G1nsZkrI/bkKq95bozVH+4IrAeA+f0TMctOz8cvXYpZwoTlis66oVEKQ== X-Received: by 10.194.102.202 with SMTP id fq10mr6035221wjb.156.1466247981679; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zotac.xperim.be (210.15-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [81.244.15.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q189sm3184812wmd.19.2016.06.18.04.06.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.38] (zotac.xperim.be [192.168.1.38]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33800491EAE; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:06:20 +0200 (CEST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=c3=b8iland-J=c3=b8rgensen?= References: <57650074.90106@gmail.com> <57652072.7020708@gmail.com> <5765248F.5000108@gmail.com> <87porevkfu.fsf@toke.dk> Cc: Jonathan Morton , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <57652B2C.6010209@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:06:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87porevkfu.fsf@toke.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] ultrafast broadband conference june 27-30 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:06:22 -0000 On 18/06/16 12:51, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > I know of at least one DSL vendor who supposedly has started paying > attention after pressure from a clueful ISP; not idea if they started > shipping non-bloated products yet. Got it. To get more ISPs interested in this subject we need to get Ookla to take account of bufferbloat. So long as speedtest.net and the Ookla servers many ISPs have in their labs ignore latency under load there will not be any pressure on the CPE industry to clean up its act.