From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 952EA3B2D1 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a66so19032500wme.0 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:22:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Eg7IsiB/pEaAQfZq/RLQPswNgy3zXg+T6yxJ/OGsFo=; b=U4TRs84k5C6ELGU3MoP6poy7vi61cvcvbFU3gCWzE26yQU0PR/hSrEqIH1B1GjDgbt sVEgbME8Q9wB1AyH3ey/wF5Jcgs+2Vh6QXnNCC3Y3nwBPcMQ8x7Gk8eXnW5mxC4BAewj VSAvss3lHQyhXuBPooKU49j3St7MA9r7N6l1t0ieHxaARNx4oNO+DCGll6Hzy/nHm6kd H9JRyE1WoHMxrHRe6Q4jo/E1GU92QYvepfgHlqLPJj5QYxHq7KB0Vb4gFR7ByTKvX1SU y+F/LUgg79msWC8Xpl7ag8oKDccVvUST4vMelYsYV2vjk2iggp5R085i8+8YlgDnbxLI ZBmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Eg7IsiB/pEaAQfZq/RLQPswNgy3zXg+T6yxJ/OGsFo=; b=BuDWbl1Ul4rlloOdTuqgZaOkvyKaewDnRgoLZfqS8y2KbcMrlSwIjyFk5PWkEl58/L ceQ/5xd+BfntSTujuz8ywA88haM3s7LBiLIII4bqs41Fsl2NPpvvWb6MCL0bLrzbOeX8 BcFV9H4yDj51UmkPc7GQo4CLxfpZCM6nFYPwSKoqmnv1/sSaQuUvAFj2Ke6OxD9B/+o9 HUNBemGTVgUsIu1/8f3df/61htUjePRgDjD2+CyAkLe77HGMqnlpK8qY3IuMXU9B5aYW 204SNXcAQWS4UcRl/9Rfwc9SOL+qyBH1qHLJ0vfVrff7xSWvQuk30my8b0ww6aMoA9ac fq2w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLXvExvBH4ic42qUwTFivQkTANqCrZ6xcMp57opLlHplxbmL98dP0zzd04JeauBDw== X-Received: by 10.194.205.233 with SMTP id lj9mr1732284wjc.10.1466248974607; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zotac.xperim.be (210.15-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [81.244.15.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r129sm3265257wmr.20.2016.06.18.04.22.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.38] (zotac.xperim.be [192.168.1.38]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49DB4491EFF; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:22:53 +0200 (CEST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=c3=b8iland-J=c3=b8rgensen?= References: <57650074.90106@gmail.com> <57652072.7020708@gmail.com> <5765248F.5000108@gmail.com> <87porevkfu.fsf@toke.dk> <57652B2C.6010209@gmail.com> <874m8qvje4.fsf@toke.dk> Cc: Jonathan Morton , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <57652F0C.3040203@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:22:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <874m8qvje4.fsf@toke.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] ultrafast broadband conference june 27-30 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:22:55 -0000 On 18/06/16 13:14, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > Yup. Unfortunately we've had no luck thus far. > > https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest is an alternative speedtest that > does include bufferbloat scores. Yes, but it isn't used by ISPs when they qualify product. Would it be worth pursuing an RFC on how to properly test the performance of an internet access circuit and/or of a path across an IP network? RFC compliance might be a tool to get Ookla to take notice.