From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82d.google.com (mail-qt1-x82d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 357653CB52; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82d.google.com with SMTP id ay22so6265983qtb.2; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 05:53:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1679403225; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5b7y1iPQx0RQS+BEW486EYIkw3T6SaSsKprTqYzIVQ8=; b=X6aEylFJxEqv+qMmHTFUFC8Tx7H6B0wf21COJQmRGEldXzOGmnYMeSXI5u/cvuQGh8 ORBzXsUr3fpGisriy9NTFpcr9kDwuiqPZqlE4nF0AcEBvemHZk9xD/8ahhoxjDa1n8wl TJO1qySNUtQSkP/E8RmeYw1TMib5VST6r+6twgG9GYC/3iOobrlzPpMzPRqT/oNYBZXf KptsnvC5QykiAH6qBI/218hhzPzLnFG1/YQHrC6L4AWsftbx5AXPFgo21vUoP4T8sVTP sI+le8s6dp0fgKC08xETnE9XqHSX+3xWCH3pRx6ALNg5NIu8o6N37wWUHb2oK0BR46uE shig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679403225; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5b7y1iPQx0RQS+BEW486EYIkw3T6SaSsKprTqYzIVQ8=; b=JQXHr4ghCW6SNJNZxLT0NVBaxvufoGQnBI6E5mGmb/p7ybvht3UK+R8vVIyVqAiW83 1h/Tt3lGFWJYfuuCw961xw4q30Ofj8ltuoN7sWGFJ3zDQrmeeP/YUplQAOwsmTqivJgx uaeJU2al/p/6jW8Z1oyFUajjtokbdx1htWO5nXsdGEyaS5SJ/3tggWDvASc+x4EB/zbS aSXd34JQDwv7NdknYEjAlmD0K4NqDA633L/sbo/DKcx8B4hqfZaOJ0ImxipIvlYW8QKY 9pEmoVAxl3TGuYc9oHk5xJJp3LPOgCtRlxFKOTtRw3ZwEEqsvmANh4m7b/phElRz6G5q EFrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUD6a9Oo7HmOWseUVA0JbFSZaD+RYMLvb75g1BFN+JGB4Y7X5pq 1ZlUcDmKHo7VIVSH8P/7UZU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8paoXM9yfIKjRDkLT3LepO+SaimtsnhCkLeHAnlKPkmGu6VdqDW0sHSh5WvQ0QkO0z522C8A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1648:b0:3d5:f1a2:13f7 with SMTP id y8-20020a05622a164800b003d5f1a213f7mr24550842qtj.12.1679403225343; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 05:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t23-20020ac865d7000000b003b635a5d56csm8280763qto.30.2023.03.21.05.53.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2023 05:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Message-Id: <576BFA56-C831-4BAD-900A-B85401C95F29@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_69889DD5-4DCB-4B46-BF8B-FC3877A16DC3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.2\)) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:53:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Frantisek Borsik , dan , bloat , libreqos To: Sebastian Moeller References: <20230321001019.GA4531@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> <46A0D5B3-FFAA-40A3-B94C-6D01C99D92EB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.2) Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:53:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_69889DD5-4DCB-4B46-BF8B-FC3877A16DC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Mar 21, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > I have to push back gently on this... >=20 ... > So I am not su sure I would prefer the 5/1 (A)DSL over a PON...=20 >=20 > That however is orthogonal to me preferring a competent ISP that takes = care of keeping latency under load at bay. OK. I concede. PON (or even a 25/25mbps connection) is way better than = DSL. As long as I can use a router with SQM :-) Rich= --Apple-Mail=_69889DD5-4DCB-4B46-BF8B-FC3877A16DC3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Mar 21, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> = wrote:

I have to push back gently on this...

...

So I am not su sure I would prefer the 5/1 (A)DSL over a = PON... 

That however is orthogonal to me = preferring a competent ISP that takes care of keeping latency under load = at bay.

OK. I concede. PON (or even a 25/25mbps connection) is way = better than DSL. As long as I can use a router with SQM :-)

Rich
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