From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F00613B2A4 for ; Sun, 3 May 2020 02:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id e9so8973360iok.9 for ; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:autocrypt:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6tYdA986+IuyDHu63ZqMU+I6kSDAsUrx3DdKHiW7iT8=; b=djgjJkHgc8oZ2etdRbB1UDhvf7T968LwtARvL7EYlmoF6oWzyJO+5bJZsfTh3PRVfQ duoAT1hK+nZLeIHpCa1ybOVjex6FE/lHV0lcTdux/SVkx4oKs1Tw+z1r4CijO64RElUD moQ7/aHnIDKMg2+Fy6c+P3xjvaUJ69ovk/9vWR2OvdPc9y/zYMZsI+7jtMwpMHhCzRNb eTx+fJXDtTkENwTTyJdPVmWexXl1lL5NSe/+uU/3yivwZc4XLxTo9BwDLitbdkv/HJS+ zsEBt2mVZ17Ur/50mmwdGHE0ZLimbVrsMIT36glYw4wMPiSg5yn4tn7U5HDRB13THkHp l9+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:autocrypt:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6tYdA986+IuyDHu63ZqMU+I6kSDAsUrx3DdKHiW7iT8=; b=os7uvXCMQMOz9laPie/S+FQevDtR4mYftREMTNwl39ADseP9zqkrdHAkm/jFYZ6Xz0 vZXGN5PvrlqSXtM6MGvq8g8ud76Oal1hDJ3LHN/zASIpOvM3DTYnb4rtQsL6YhPoPoKo exNhJBc0Bwo37IGFG/8kbBxW+Yipg7IkmFPBHA6UeorkANgwYBsT7bbFFpk3A5rPQIbk GPJuD3ZEARlDHkAJzq0Am8kmTwOM6gsdAjAq5nKd3EKMIx0h+KmngSaNRgWl/qJtIU8/ KkGm5EwWkCVEKoFxiVSVKifS+PQdyX0J6tzcjHC2QFkn/knqbBFXsjgWkxNph7TUdarO 8QFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubNEvTl1OVAQlaNiygJ64JCrltot9VIlNIm3p9T/ICZvfxPSr9U FS0voJcHnlneKQJTpIwLmUyNH97s X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJHbTmdFN2s4gW7YOoXYKuCPTobLV0A45+/B95ATUSfz4PDMLgigJFg7W1HjMeFRy8GkuNp0A== X-Received: by 2002:a02:8666:: with SMTP id e93mr10304477jai.0.1588486949214; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.54.200.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm3204084ils.56.2020.05.02.23.22.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 02 May 2020 23:22:28 -0700 (PDT) To: Jan Ceuleers , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <918a1b60-cc5c-593b-de0f-5890a8a3b3d7@gmail.com> From: Taran Lynn Autocrypt: addr=taranlynn0@gmail.com; keydata= mQENBFtKU/gBCADcE4CFr/pjW5+6nW6uAtwe2vpQ/AS37f5tr/LyzjKxYag0/k/XvPi6MENp yESBxHnCDwEu214hK/kfoRrMTWN6Nph3q0cU5GKT+0aUobdyWNcMKbXCiQbdvWQmTQDDjwHx H9qyTbijNA39jDr7CaboGRsKk76vOXfpZrO63IO8Y6J0cvxHeJ4YXc+MxsazvvbKbBtFLx12 yUZwIihxaCyU+Vm7qGPzitv4zRd5h8U3AsdG6ZCWbMMvGUsFxDpW1Lh7v7YChaLRUQTEvIzd A9VmyCEe/MiTLIlBkB9qYGUB8+Z61LesKFApRYJAPDAt5MpdWpgPbH3UE0G7WgHpOqObABEB AAG0IVRhcmFuIEx5bm4gPHRhcmFubHlubjBAZ21haWwuY29tPokBVwQTAQgAQQIbAwULCQgH AgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAIZARYhBNW+Y7j3YNRo1kMbGGXicYkuqfgUBQJbS7CnBQkD w8OvAAoJEGXicYkuqfgUPC8IALrBa1Upe7sU2peAJxyMiE8hkQpI6OTcpmA4bHS/LR1F4DCF jPI3zgBzdOnd3YcAxLkio5QM7axsGu4+cwMLwI0W/7ExLxDp81EFYPC5y2oPbOj9BJ0aiqYc h8OY00Jq3U/+/vQNZm7ZgnWysBhBg7Xn4TdufmipTmOUVtL85sU0seUe7zMhtj7mgerNeHWj 13o6xc0HFYXAdwyzq8WeqatDdiJ7DpmvTXqICKCsgpH3rlhYRdhSXr9oD/iSIOubLgJXANrZ dkStWXko5WanoqAoe1gLWaw77ZTLMYWrb6qmEHxKJKxgt+wdMHjYEcVYX6ZyMKSCh4xV5KUH 7cwE9me5AQ0EW0pT+AEIAMuUNViQkY6t7F3JNuTQolbaUueLA5EoPPsGzSAxaRX2NbpYLHoU X/f/0VO1iRCv3111GAKnxyf36vnVQzyHOtJVw+NYdxNdOjFnQvID/C17dpGbdBGCzjwpIyKS ncAeLLGYlZE/yDWgv7XgsdyuBkiO5O1CJTjxynnxYraEgxcjaB+xih+AsN2dElgsDI1NVzG4 Huz/ryGkWHz77o+vG5SPHeqBEVZeR59bjR2jwoQ41S0u+qWSGEQDt0sE1eBeVBGLsttBnMLY 1NbnHBZoQb6Kg2mW8qGbziRqorZ01f0BYgc/fAnMKPr/bQzq/JSml7kG1uMzRk4hFtsvn1lh qCMAEQEAAYkBPAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBNW+Y7j3YNRo1kMbGGXicYkuqfgUBQJbS7C9BQkDw8PF AAoJEGXicYkuqfgUYMgIAIbz0n5DVrUimnOkKYo4eyU7/3zWh2nFVyD/s+jgZ4uD9oMTo5QD 2xtm3dkRraMbfcgdJhl0p/ZOrhvj9BpvnLhUJDF9Pqg4toBLLZaZYF46sllpgfSe2tVCceGg vMse9Nx84rx5Bas8RM8oiIwoHJNFOPjJlovXuGS9LA7A6fMvf9e2ug6WitWBHvQ0P5MqdrPe P+ymwV1m+SRiGEyAW9Y1DUvtf5JKtoTa6LfyswbO282sH0PiD7pldtgGSMZHOcCkLdKsnGlR 7wEBgOj7WlDrvMK37o+MQHtbxxptgV/u8uJ2GFDqc+WnwLmGzn/xONHw+VlhFLIx3sA21h0S k6E= Message-ID: <578065d0-6d51-26cf-8a8f-458534d36f17@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 23:22:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] I hate my ISP X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 06:22:30 -0000 I doubt its pure transmission latency. Most of the time I consistently get ~600ms RTT, and its only this Saturday, when internet usage spikes, that it's been really bad. Plus, you can clearly see the saw tooth pattern of AIMD congestion control in the ping graphs, with amplitudes of up to several seconds. I feel pretty confident in saying that this is bufferbloat. On 5/2/20 11:13 PM, Jan Ceuleers wrote: > On 03/05/2020 05:57, Taran Lynn wrote: >> Hello, >> >> So evidently Viasat doesn't know how to handle bufferbloat at all with >> their exede satellite service. It's been really bad today. I've attached >> flent's tcp_1up results for those interested. Note that the base RTT is >> 600ms and upload is usually 5Mbps. I don't have the rrul test results >> because that test kept crashing >(. >> >> Now I'm going to go back to watching webpages take a minute to load. > > Based on their Wikipedia page it seems that Viasat provide service based > on geosynchronous satellites. Your poor user experience may therefore > not be due solely to bufferbloat but rather to pure transmission latency. > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >