From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C833CB37 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 15:17:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1733343420; x=1733948220; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=ACIR1WBNz/2sJt18Wc7qPS+yJYISX+EeWJKtJtxRCK0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=qgNFwEPXJy0UaVacbHiHX2ndpSXVucRY9KMV6EBDk5Wk0b+aAd0EW5+rE+Kn71Kn /QkD1N3zcPtxFLXObyIH/H1vLCM5hgWMHsuVFWNs4kMFR6ntLjvNGOpy0vjnF5l/L De7CbWRqNo/uP4zicZXSd/Ov6zjnSNHZ8WXlo0Ic/IPuNA7eHIPCwtt7fp8D+cbYi 6Jx1fvuLXFPk9rMpw22tvhZmppmdGvs151sE0XjNkz4aTWrcn+8+ZXUNfamlJPy5F hkZNlrRAIjcLmE/AH2G4yivTEmjS48RS9qTABhlMApSUX/TixegLS4B1RrRdKvwB9 OvVrCpMEresss6fniw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.0.166.70]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4Qwg-1tksm54An0-010dzB; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 21:17:00 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:16:46 +0100 Cc: "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" , Rich Brown , Rich Brown via Bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57D0A608-C272-4E3C-AC8B-F993DBF63915@gmx.de> References: <8E1D013F-BC13-4FFA-8986-2521FEB39A89@gmail.com> <62A919E9-EAFD-434C-BF2B-302D9E5A50E0@gmx.de> <1nq06157-745n-0r7n-310s-64nq8n90sp09@ynat.uz> To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:uqYs12pM99cL+aCzkdPsL4+esPU/IiFEiFtVX3PQcS+9i9RShAC pwAqCL6pUw40Ljy72zJtNjsgQf+rxsV68+oHwtGtvblf5hdp27E0N4jeQA8WPgofEWZVxcy v1ABLm/0J9Aj0bRvHEUfl6hSOIJWo9UbVevOROG0Q4nrVgEB20aXtw3JdwgjCJ+Zoom9qAS igu/AcpYEKHc7ly04CbMA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:q4SmgPee7xs=;DLUxWQHvBxKnwNgePuqpvX48wnR mWviUolfJeadzUBFPn4IGiT6bo7MjGVsF3Wnm9DH0iv6IXMU7ugWindu+iq8ozgUb1ZOyN8/a jcwTLzz7ecpS3c7WsvFVGry7piDxA7dAoe71UUOtAWpPinGJS5Nmcs7sRLbHvFRWBeZkYDG6r yzPnEUTAHG/gE4/neCLMbRw+T4GLp6FGg7C2yOUhLmaqWuvHJDqq39ybgrtxci8qhkvIow9PH n7p9ycZ8Ayb8LPny0mGNMSV0iSKUFclQfTu0+4rsWHGc/3pIhgxfFtdiHqqBQMHNJhPA9NBA1 8kXnqppRwysEjCXlNOBFo8nAMQ2H4NQlUL6cCYaOA7p9b23aP6tOxTX/wXGYmI64KEF12XqRw JKT0L16ndTRztkG1E+R2obzYQ5Mrw75geZ3U9CKK7qpxroF7qmyoCPQi9cDgitQI7UbGFV23c iTwY6aA8ldpX2qLBv6nUFdSzzDvJTOlCAz9ZuhqPfz8UbbyVnfCJtAjWYjqYtnSEFClgZ8e3S J6/9uJmdhsn5iRhZmmzBITlmHneEFR6hpd9DvV546Vwaefu7zCGyBdHH/I8Hc7uJZPugk8gRZ a4mySmMuOIpdXjOoJlv0+PbODCEDDsVH5JEGVVY7Axy7Dwug4kLzhjcX1uBXCYhyX6UrdrdEA hoesJfwnHZA+BlEV/P1n/SaXdabTKHadx/py+VQtiYn9GE1TtldD/M9zpi1l4dbKIhq0yo8b8 xG05lfj34WLH3pEJpJ0bOqh6XCMiZDwGz7fNRNuO0Q2vIrY2dWnmmhflfIshnTaHA99VHtw7u wrfZBuID7ICPfat3PF1V2s3K1xPpQjnu/pi0E8bNf5b9pDhKR2RmNF8+BtLFbowVT0XFO69k7 0JP6wzCoMbl3SCo/wp8OKpvWen0OEoo+kJEvG2b7qcFNGVzlDYAAUXhUuYRsHW8ztbl4qYpzN dTr6AOft7ciErGo39I+a4B5kZFL3vj0akv9joUQmECvtcd/g+UQd+So/AA7TK9ZPjhNYFw7eF pmXIIN35A3lmzNLbyVzSHsSkjWw/hYf89kWXck1K6knpPwDv1aVEeG8NHnqnx9h4Gr/sxG+0F nbq326nVQvF6yEcw2g9e9PGRFBCsJL Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updates to bufferbloat.net site X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 20:17:07 -0000 Not so sure... The missing switch port was the single biggest issue discussed on the = OpenWrt forum thread about the One... (followed by "why different = capacities for the two ethernet ports" and "no modem"). My understanding = is that typical users expect a few lan ports, but I can not say how = many/few would be happy without... With OpenWrt one will need a SIP/VoIP = base station so there goes one lan port right there... But I will shut = up now, I wait with further opinions until I have mine delivered and = tested ;) > On 4. Dec 2024, at 20:58, David Lang wrote: >=20 > jf@jonathanfoulkes.com wrote: >=20 >> I see it as a good thing, as it might promote better placement for = WiFi coverage, vs where a tangle of wires is tolerated. The POE option = further enhances that angle. >>=20 >> An unmanaged POE switch is affordable; if one is technical, then a = managed one is not much more. >=20 >=20 > 8 port managed switch, list price $50, on sale for $30 (5 port is on = sale for $18) >=20 > = https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K4DS5KU?ref=3Dppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&t= h=3D1 >=20 >> As a data point, my five-port home router has only two in use: the = WAN port, and one LAN/VLAN port connected to the main household managed = switch. My primary router lives in the living room (for the desired WiFi = coverage there) out of its 5 LAN ports, 4 are used, and only one of = those is to the bigger managed POE switch. But I will certainly not pretend that this is typical usage, not even = for a family of five... > yep, people who do wires usually aren't satisfied with the switch in = the AP. > David Lang >=20 >>> On Dec 4, 2024, at 2:22=E2=80=AFPM, David Lang via Bloat = wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> [SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this is a decent AP package, = but will likely not be a general all-in-one router (lack of a modem is = likely fine, lack of switch ports less so), especially given the = price... >>>> = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Buffer= bloat/ >>>=20 >>> I don't think that will be as much of a problem as you think, most = people are all-wireless in their houses nowdays, and small, programmable = switches are pretty cheap if you need them. >>=20