From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out04.uio.no (mail-out04.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:8210::76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2319F3CB35 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 01:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-mx12.uio.no ([129.240.10.84]) by mail-out04.uio.no with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iNH-003GXB-7M; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 07:48:59 +0200 Received: from [185.176.244.72] (helo=smtpclient.apple) by mail-mx12.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user michawe (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1iNF-0000hs-S4; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 07:48:59 +0200 From: Michael Welzl Message-Id: <580DF947-1160-405C-9019-0A6CD8FC49A3@ifi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_43505243-433D-4C37-AF42-DB0085FDF63B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 07:48:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Cc: bloat To: Dave Taht References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: neutral (mail-mx12.uio.no: 185.176.244.72 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ifi.uio.no) client-ip=185.176.244.72; envelope-from=michawe@ifi.uio.no; helo=smtpclient.apple; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5) X-UiO-Scanned: A29CFAE840C7057CF1F3DA1D7461C469885EF561 X-UiOonly: D741C2914A2F01403B452DFDBB1BD34AF700E2AC Subject: Re: [Bloat] the future of tcp - train wreck or evolution? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 05:49:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_43505243-433D-4C37-AF42-DB0085FDF63B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 =E2=80=A6 but I=E2=80=99m excited about slide 15 ! "Heat, CO2, and radioactive waste are becoming measurable by-products of = TCP inefficiency Fix TCP =3D> Save the World!=E2=80=9D People don=E2=80=99t yet focus enough on this - and it=E2=80=99s not = only relevant in a data center context. See also: Michael Welzl: "Not a Trade-Off: On the Wi-Fi Energy Efficiency of = Effective Internet Congestion Control", IEEE/IFIP WONS 2022, virtual, 30 = March - 1 April 2022. Preprint: = https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/michawe/research/publications/wons2022_= authors_version.pdf = A couple of IETFs ago, I did sign up to present something along these = lines at an ICCRG meeting, but I asked late and got squeezed into an = =E2=80=9Cif time permits=E2=80=9D slot; some day in the future I=E2=80=99l= l ask for a =E2=80=9Cproper slot=E2=80=9D to elaborate on this. Cheers, Michael > On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:35 AM, Dave Taht via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > as seen in 2008. >=20 > https://slideplayer.com/slide/5747321/ >=20 > Regrettably all the answers on slide 13 are elided. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FQ World Domination pending: = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --Apple-Mail=_43505243-433D-4C37-AF42-DB0085FDF63B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 =E2=80= =A6 but I=E2=80=99m excited about slide 15 !

"Heat, CO2, and radioactive waste = are becoming measurable by-products of TCP = inefficiency
Fix TCP =3D> Save the = World!=E2=80=9D

People don=E2=80=99t yet focus enough on this - and it=E2=80=99= s not only relevant in a data center context. See also:

Michael Welzl: "Not a = Trade-Off: On the Wi-Fi Energy Efficiency of Effective Internet = Congestion Control", IEEE/IFIP WONS 2022, virtual, 30 March - 1 April = 2022.
Preprint: https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/michawe/research/publication= s/wons2022_authors_version.pdf

A couple of IETFs ago, I did sign up to = present something along these lines at an ICCRG meeting, but I asked = late and got squeezed into an =E2=80=9Cif time permits=E2=80=9D slot; = some day in the future I=E2=80=99ll ask for a =E2=80=9Cproper slot=E2=80=9D= to elaborate on this.

Cheers,
Michael



On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:35 AM, = Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

as = seen in 2008.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/5747321/

Regrettably all the answers on slide 13 are elided.


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