From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8759A3B2A4 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.17.3.79] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4Gup-1bcZnt2tvf-00rl9B; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:55:14 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EDEA0C82-C54C-413E-8523-A5687BA29A00" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: <7174F836-3969-4967-B1B0-AAB34F3DE4AC@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:55:13 +0200 Cc: bloat Message-Id: <5B859436-AC4A-44CE-9218-981F9C1855B1@gmx.de> References: <7174F836-3969-4967-B1B0-AAB34F3DE4AC@gmail.com> To: Rich Brown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ilm3oJIt7xB6YZj5x5pDUHEIxcqq6MG9dpapk741yfM3O/+Rs2U VJxly3ILUz78B1u+Cvub+NthBorW0hDzZVGnpTG39hprPLXOz6yqGFY8Hdg5u65ueIpoOU/ Vsc3kWFSPJAY9ohKAOBsu6r8vFxnS+h5dxn/hGP6cnk5akHW1hphXpGD5ItinKISD+UqDKm jJsRcJdKzIR70OgH3Rj2A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8K3r8miwvJ4=:Vy/7ANc7KNLSxEnnTXy9O3 MJfFz/3f+9r6Y2DCx7QS60R3HzUSez3rWCBRcRYirHhp8TamsvGYoVXobJFjGJtmIXVhynOCJ iSs0rjE62Y2TPNw9qUd6Hi+srumguWtfQJVTTBMUUqP2vat2EU3D7k1YKLLQPB8NWCUzns0a8 35fNKnn3xVaq1Cds5q0GBeSLqNeuRbAUblmV+pMh3tQOCKdr0WhDZtAyeMzhH39ue3VVtprbM 49y/ET3yxTxC7eHIboVZzsaVt9JNi5CSrK6u/kWsHT5YWSBkJbBvBZEv9LK/IDQO31nmJSd89 eYpBBFDSokScWmhi5vI1MkeEEHWEZHAHtdEQzXIVDHjMLAk4pUS548/L7qNAxWhvMb7JpVegi uRJgKVacToMm247YPf/qECzQGmiUk60ryho4ECfgQ48M9zI8OUOueaP4/0O2Uav5scnSOLvVn bIU6cL4LR7Hgv7u3UjRZz5rm42FayKZljkpptRrGRexdks2506WRdXfP1ybM6qWdUQnaPUu9K X4LvQ+dCqDW8XN6Df8QKIuQy4dOLbE/sxA6sz04RhRe2jzdm6rNLs2HjRVvcxnzx3//y+CMSO TZBb50xcpYBbzwFiujhSw4jE0pLAD1BMmwc2qqY4G6yS+9V65C7qj9wH+Ms/HQU5a+EktTIp4 u0OraPlCofqlTodidsSUTGN9gaq+G0zoBHLy9S/7OilUs9dMiNUfl6aPwD1MA6qcLn2mUJbZu Xo8PPBkFyMMfOyVfLLJgZENenBUkKSGBRHLoUHDNKg+uMbeTUUcXuiJuSTw= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updates on www.bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:55:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EDEA0C82-C54C-413E-8523-A5687BA29A00 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Rich, all of this is great, thanks! > On Jul 7, 2016, at 17:12 , Rich Brown wrote: >=20 > There has been a lot of work on the www.bufferbloat.net site. There = are many small changes, and three new pages. As always, comments and = PR's encouraged. >=20 > - Getting SQM Running Right - A revision of the original page from = snapon. > = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Getting_SQM_Running_Righ= t/ >=20 > - Realtime Response Under Load (RRUL) Specification - A copy of the = original Word document, reformatted to markdown. No editorial changes = made.=20 > https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/RRUL_Spec/ >=20 > - RRUL Chart Explanation - RRUL charts seem a bit inscrutable when = people first see them. This page could benefit from further explanation = of BK, BE, CS5, etc.=20 > = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/RRUL_Chart_Explanation/ >=20 > - Updates to "Tests for Bufferbloat" - it's now focused primarily on = various tests, not what to do about it. > = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Tests_for_Bufferbloat/ >=20 > - Updates to "What to do about Bufferbloat" - Gives information about = what you might do (leaving test descriptions on the previous page). > = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/What_to_do_about_Bufferb= loat/ I see that there is a link to = https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/sqm on this page, and that reminds = me, could you add a link to = https://github.com/moeller0/ATM_overhead_detector to that openwrt page = please? Probably in the section titled =E2=80=9CLink Layer Adaptation - = the details=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D Here is a quick draft: For true ATM links one often can measure the real per packet overhead = empirically, see https://github.com/moeller0/ATM_overhead_detector for = further information how to do that. And while at it the following might also need a small upgrade: original: =E2=80=9CSQM can also account for the overhead imposed by = "Ethernet with overhead" (mostly VDSL) links. Cable Modem, Fiber, and = direct Ethernet connections generally do not need any kind of link layer = adaptation." proposal: "SQM can also account for the overhead imposed by "Ethernet = with overhead" (mostly VDSL) links. Cable Modems (docsis) are known to = typically use 28 Byte of overhead in the upstream direction but only 14 = in the downstream direction. If your version of SQM only supports to = specify one value for the overhead, select 28 Bytes=E2=80=A6 Fiber, and = direct Ethernet connections generally do not need any kind of link layer = adaptation.=E2=80=9D Thanks to Greg we learned something about docsis and it would be = a pity not to pass this information on to our users=E2=80=A6 (Note to = self I need to allow independent overhead control for ingress and egress = in sqm-scripts and the GUI). Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > Finally, here is a week of traffic info from the Cloudflare CDN. It = appears that there are ~10-34k page views per day, averaging around 19k = pages/day. 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